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 Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:05 pm
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:07 pm
Is it just me, or does that thing look a little small for a full sized rifle?
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:31 pm
Horrified Survivor Fresnel I think I'm gonna actually go with the G36 on this one. The dual-optic sight system, the C/K models, the availability of a C-Mag... It's really down to the gimmicks, and the G36 has better gimmicks.
ETA: Also ******** the AUG AND the Tavor. They're both ******** class="clear"> You know the Cmag works with the StG, too, right? And rail systems mean all the sights you want. Also, there is the SG 552 "commando" version, same size as the 36C. Did it first, too, which is why the HK's C means Compact. True stories, bro also, the M4 has a 14.5" barrel. The SIG uses proprietary mags. 10, 20, 30. That's it. No other choices. Also, "rail system" means "You've got iron sights. You want something decent? Go ******** buy it yourself." Having any single man in the entire military able to perform (equipment-wise) as a DM or a SAW gunner in a pinch is undeniably useful. Also, the G36 carry handle can be removed and replaced with a rail if necessary. Personally, I don't care who did what first. Finally:  Rails go where?
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:34 pm
Teetonka Is it just me, or does that thing look a little small for a full sized rifle? Says it's just short of 43" with the stock unfolded.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:34 pm
does it really matte rwhat gun you have as long as you have ammo and targets?
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:39 pm
Teetonka Fresnel I think I'm gonna actually go with the G36 on this one. The dual-optic sight system, the C/K models, the availability of a C-Mag... It's really down to the gimmicks, and the G36 has better gimmicks.
ETA: Also ******** the AUG AND the Tavor. They're both ******** class="clear"> The SIG has all of that. It can fit all sorts of sights, the availability of the magazines is irrelevant due to this world not being the same as Earth (I can control the availability of anything easily), the SIG has the 551 and 552, which are equal to the C/K. basically, the SIG's got all the G36's gimmicks. The Steyr and Tavor are actually pretty sexy, or at least they are to me. If you're just gonna make s**t up, you could choose any old German gun and have it be godly. I mean, if you do, you do. Fine. But if you're going to have us debate the SG550 vs the G36, and counter every plus for the G36 with "I can just change things to make that", I think your mind is set.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:41 pm
Fresnel Horrified Survivor Fresnel I think I'm gonna actually go with the G36 on this one. The dual-optic sight system, the C/K models, the availability of a C-Mag... It's really down to the gimmicks, and the G36 has better gimmicks.
ETA: Also ******** the AUG AND the Tavor. They're both ******** class="clear"> You know the Cmag works with the StG, too, right? And rail systems mean all the sights you want. Also, there is the SG 552 "commando" version, same size as the 36C. Did it first, too, which is why the HK's C means Compact. True stories, bro also, the M4 has a 14.5" barrel. The SIG uses proprietary mags. 10, 20, 30. That's it. No other choices. Also, "rail system" means "You've got iron sights. You want something decent? Go ******** buy it yourself." Having any single man in the entire military able to perform (equipment-wise) as a DM or a SAW gunner in a pinch is undeniably useful. Also, the G36 carry handle can be removed and replaced with a rail if necessary. Personally, I don't care who did what first. Finally: Rails go where? It fits them below the barrel and above the receiver.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:43 pm
Fresnel Teetonka Fresnel I think I'm gonna actually go with the G36 on this one. The dual-optic sight system, the C/K models, the availability of a C-Mag... It's really down to the gimmicks, and the G36 has better gimmicks.
ETA: Also ******** the AUG AND the Tavor. They're both ******** class="clear"> The SIG has all of that. It can fit all sorts of sights, the availability of the magazines is irrelevant due to this world not being the same as Earth (I can control the availability of anything easily), the SIG has the 551 and 552, which are equal to the C/K. basically, the SIG's got all the G36's gimmicks. The Steyr and Tavor are actually pretty sexy, or at least they are to me. If you're just gonna make s**t up, you could choose any old German gun and have it be godly. I mean, if you do, you do. Fine. But if you're going to have us debate the SG550 vs the G36, and counter every plus for the G36 with "I can just change things to make that", I think your mind is set. The SIG could easily fit a reflex sight or a C-mag. There is absolutely no reason it couldn't. The fact that it doesn't don't mean anything if it can.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:48 pm
So, the decision has been made. I will take...
The H&K G36. I prefer the SIG myself, but, after much thinking on the issue, the H&K just seems to fit the atmosphere I want for the guild better. That, and a SIG needs to have custom reflex sights and C-mags made for it. Sure, it can fit them, but their aren't any around for the platform as of right now, and I don't feel like making any. As such, the G36 is the rifle I have chosen. Not to knock the SIG (it's still my favourite rifle) or the AUG, but the G36 just works the best for the guild.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:18 pm
Fresnel Horrified Survivor Fresnel I think I'm gonna actually go with the G36 on this one. The dual-optic sight system, the C/K models, the availability of a C-Mag... It's really down to the gimmicks, and the G36 has better gimmicks.
ETA: Also ******** the AUG AND the Tavor. They're both ******** class="clear"> You know the Cmag works with the StG, too, right? And rail systems mean all the sights you want. Also, there is the SG 552 "commando" version, same size as the 36C. Did it first, too, which is why the HK's C means Compact. True stories, bro also, the M4 has a 14.5" barrel. The SIG uses proprietary mags. 10, 20, 30. That's it. No other choices. Also, "rail system" means "You've got iron sights. You want something decent? Go ******** buy it yourself." Having any single man in the entire military able to perform (equipment-wise) as a DM or a SAW gunner in a pinch is undeniably useful. Also, the G36 carry handle can be removed and replaced with a rail if necessary. Personally, I don't care who did what first. Finally: Rails go where? If you want to put it that way, the G36 has proprietary mags. In any case, anything could be made. Just because Beta doesn't make a Sig CMag, doesn't mean they can't. I hate LSWs. ******** stupid idea I'm glad they're done with. It's a cool idea until you look at what happens to a light rifle trying to sustain fire. First off, it jumps everywhere. Hell, the 249 does that and it's designed to do it. Then you start to damage the barrel with heat- I've warped a mini-14's barrel without automatic, imagine what would happen with an assault rifle. Plus, rails mean issue is adapted. I'm in a mech unit- read "s**t of the infantry" and we're given aimpoints. I'll be getting an ACOG, but whatever. SOF units are rolling out with EoTechs PEQ-14's and all that good stuff paid by supply. Anyway, my biggest problem with new HK rifles is that they're too short where it matters. The barrel. Barrel length is muzzle velocity, and I don't care how much they tout polygonal rifling, it's not that magically speed granting. Armor doesn't make the knight. A scope doesn't make a DM. Training does. Having a basic rifle for everyone with variants or a whole new rifle/weapon for specialists makes a lot more sense, tactically and economically.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:42 pm
Horrified Survivor Fresnel Horrified Survivor Fresnel I think I'm gonna actually go with the G36 on this one. The dual-optic sight system, the C/K models, the availability of a C-Mag... It's really down to the gimmicks, and the G36 has better gimmicks.
ETA: Also ******** the AUG AND the Tavor. They're both ******** class="clear"> You know the Cmag works with the StG, too, right? And rail systems mean all the sights you want. Also, there is the SG 552 "commando" version, same size as the 36C. Did it first, too, which is why the HK's C means Compact. True stories, bro also, the M4 has a 14.5" barrel. The SIG uses proprietary mags. 10, 20, 30. That's it. No other choices. Also, "rail system" means "You've got iron sights. You want something decent? Go ******** buy it yourself." Having any single man in the entire military able to perform (equipment-wise) as a DM or a SAW gunner in a pinch is undeniably useful. Also, the G36 carry handle can be removed and replaced with a rail if necessary. Personally, I don't care who did what first. Finally: Rails go where? If you want to put it that way, the G36 has proprietary mags. In any case, anything could be made. Just because Beta doesn't make a Sig CMag, doesn't mean they can't. Right, but they don't. They do make one for the G36. I think it had something to do with the MG36 project, before it was scrapped. Quote: I hate LSWs. ******** stupid idea I'm glad they're done with. It's a cool idea until you look at what happens to a light rifle trying to sustain fire. First off, it jumps everywhere. Hell, the 249 does that and it's designed to do it. Then you start to damage the barrel with heat- I've warped a mini-14's barrel without automatic, imagine what would happen with an assault rifle. Walking away from a battle with a broken gun is better than being carried out of the battle in plastic with a perfectly-functional gun. Sometimes, you NEED something you don't have. It's essential to be able to adapt as needed in a pinch. Yeah, it'll ******** your gun, but it's got a bipod built in, so it's not HORRIBLY uncontrollable. You can at least keep their heads down until your squad does whatever it needs to do, be it killing them or running away or what have you. Quote: Plus, rails mean issue is adapted. I'm in a mech unit- read "s**t of the infantry" and we're given aimpoints. I'll be getting an ACOG, but whatever. SOF units are rolling out with EoTechs PEQ-14's and all that good stuff paid by supply. SOF = SpecOps? 'Cos yeah, of course SpecOps gets the best s**t. I'm talking about a grunt like you, too. Quote: Anyway, my biggest problem with new HK rifles is that they're too short where it matters. The barrel. Barrel length is muzzle velocity, and I don't care how much they tout polygonal rifling, it's not that magically speed granting. It's a 19" barrel. confused Quote: Armor doesn't make the knight. A scope doesn't make a DM. Training does. Having a basic rifle for everyone with variants or a whole new rifle/weapon for specialists makes a lot more sense, tactically and economically. I'm not saying that the DM's should get this too, I'm saying that if you've got an infantryman who knows how to shoot pretty good and he needs to make a long shot, he's got everything he needs to do so right in his hands.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:22 pm
Yep, the whole circlejerk HK was getting on with the one system gun they had there.
On the other hand, being stuck in a battle with a broken gun caused by whipping out what you didn't need... See the problem? Better to have and not need doesn't apply when what you don't need adds weight or otherwise degrades functionality. Yes, it's awesome for elite forces, but for Joe Volksgrenadier? Not so much.
Special Operations. Airborne, recon, and Rangers, basically. Cool guy units, not black ops and s**t.
The standard is. But the Karbine, the more common one, is 12.5" and everyones wet spot the C has only nine.
An infantryman who needs to take a long shot can do it with irons or a reddot.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:07 pm
Horrified Survivor Yep, the whole circlejerk HK was getting on with the one system gun they had there. Well, it's a good idea in theory. Quote: On the other hand, being stuck in a battle with a broken gun caused by whipping out what you didn't need... See the problem? Better to have and not need doesn't apply when what you don't need adds weight or otherwise degrades functionality. Yes, it's awesome for elite forces, but for Joe Volksgrenadier? Not so much. I don't see why. If your guys can ******** hold onto their nuts and not magdump at every opportunity, it's a good system. We need to implement a shots/kills system in our military. Because seriously, dumping your entire combat load and hitting nothing is ******** retarded. PRIDE IN MARKSMANSHIP, people. Quote: The standard is. But the Karbine, the more common one, is 12.5" and everyones wet spot the C has only nine. Hey, I wouldn't recommend those anywhere but dense urban environments and places where storage space is extremely limited, like inside tanks or planes. Quote: An infantryman who needs to take a long shot can do it with irons or a reddot. A 77gr. .223 drops roughly 10'3" at 600 yards, and SS109 is only 62gr. Kinda hard to judge that with irons. The scope on the G36 has a drop compensator.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:44 pm
mercenary_RP does it really matte rwhat gun you have as long as you have ammo and targets? Yes. It matters a lot. You don't want your gun failing on you in combat, do you? The three rifles mentioned are, to the best of my knowledge, very reliable. Especially the G36- they stuck it's gas system in an M4 to make the HK416, and it's reliability went up considerably.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:05 pm
Requiem in Mortis mercenary_RP does it really matte rwhat gun you have as long as you have ammo and targets? Yes. It matters a lot. You don't want your gun failing on you in combat, do you? The three rifles mentioned are, to the best of my knowledge, very reliable. Especially the G36- they stuck it's gas system in an M4 to make the HK416, and it's reliability went up considerably. Other people did gas-piston ARs earlier, and in America no less. HK's is only special because of the big HK on the receiver.
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