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GrayFox436

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:25 pm


If you think that is where I will be most useful. While machine guns and grenade launchers are nice they tend to limit one's individual tactical flexiblity - and draw fire.

Be it possible, I would like to keep my kit relatively light. A Specialist, Marksman or even Rifleman position would be more suited to my style.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:29 pm


Herm... I got it!

I'll make you like a marine marksmen- you'll basically be like those people in Iraq. Rather than being like a Designated marksmen, you'll use a regular gun, but have a scope/ have good aim and use single shots.

They do that kind of stuff all the time; sound good! blaugh

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GrayFox436

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:35 pm


Sounds good.

If I am using my character then a SCAR-H should fill that role nicely.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:42 pm


Yes it would! blaugh

I am actually a fan of that weapon- we need more infantry 7.62mm x 51mm weapons. NATO ONLY uses 5.56mm rounds becuase they found a statistic that for like 95% of winning battles, the more rounds fired = the winner.

What's going on in iraq, though? All of our units use their superb marksmanship and good accuracy and rifle discipline to take out 10 terrorists at a time- 10 of our guys and a tank control entire cities of hundreds of bad guys.

Therefore, imo, we need to go to heavier, more accurate rifles that worries less on weight and rounds carried and more on power and getting kill shots. The 7.62mm x 51mm and the 6.8mm x 43mm are both more powerful, more accurate, and equal or better at getting through body armor than the 5.56mm- and in a full weapon configuration, are only roughly 1 pound heavier if you use a thirty round magazine.

So yar- you'll be a 'marksmen'. blaugh

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:58 pm


I tend to agree with the use of the 5.56mm round under certain conditions. Surely you can carry many more rounds than with a .30cal cartrage and its ability to defeat most infantry body armor can not be undervalued. The round's tendancy to fragment upon impact also makes gives it supurb tissue disruption, unless you're using "green tip" armor piercing rounds. Those just go right on through people. Unlike the 6.8, however, the 5.56mm round has quiet a few things going for it.

For one, it's everywhere. It is about as comman a round as the AK's intermediate 7.62x39mm. Not only that, but it's armor penetration capability (not using armor piercing ammunition) is superior to the 6.8mm round and will remain so in the forseeable future. Even once it penetrates armor the round still maintains its effectiveness (such as it is) against soft targets by fracturing/tumbling. Its recoil is irrelavent to the point that light machineguns in that caliber are easy to handle while capable of throwing huge volumes of fire down range.

As an infantry weapon, I believe the 5.56mm round is superb. Even as an assault platform it is light, easy to control and deadly enough so that a handful of them will rip a person open. It has the range to reach out and touch somebody and its accuracy is good enough that Congress held an official inquerry in the military to see if soldiers were executing people or or just really good at getting headshots at range. It turned out that they were just really good shots.

While a 5.56mm round can never match the knock-down power of a 30cal, they are easier to control and you can carry lots of ammo for them.

All that being said, I really like the 7.62x51mm round. I also agree that we need a designated battle rifle for our troops other than refurbished M14s and M21s, as sexy and effeciant as they are. I just don't think a whole NEW caliber is needed - or, if so, I'm not convinced the 6.8mm is it. And if you like the SCAR-H then you may find this weapon to be to your fancy.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:59 pm


Suicidesoldier#1
Well, I currently lead all of the squads, pretty much. Atm, not a reason for the need of more.

However, you MIGHT be able to lead a team- say red, blue, green, purple, etc.

But idk. You have to be good enough to; not just in skill, but in getting your team to execute the orders I tell them to as well.

I don't know if you are; therefore, I'd like either proof or a good argument. xp


Sir, i can prove it to you. i plan on joining the military after i graduate highschool anyway. I have Knowledge, Skill, and when i am assigned an objective, i don't quit until that objective is complete. And as far as ordering and securing men under various commands, i have the experience for that as well, and like i said, i command alot of unit's and squad's so i know how to command a team sir. I am well Diciplined. Therefor i'd like the opportunity to prove to you sir that i am capable to lead a team. And i'd like to lead Purple Team Sir.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:17 pm


GrayFox436
I tend to agree with the use of the 5.56mm round under certain conditions. Surely you can carry many more rounds than with a .30cal cartrage and its ability to defeat most infantry body armor can not be undervalued. The round's tendancy to fragment upon impact also makes gives it supurb tissue disruption, unless you're using "green tip" armor piercing rounds. Those just go right on through people. Unlike the 6.8, however, the 5.56mm round has quiet a few things going for it.

For one, it's everywhere. It is about as comman a round as the AK's intermediate 7.62x39mm. Not only that, but it's armor penetration capability (not using armor piercing ammunition) is superior to the 6.8mm round and will remain so in the forseeable future. Even once it penetrates armor the round still maintains its effectiveness (such as it is) against soft targets by fracturing/tumbling. Its recoil is irrelavent to the point that light machineguns in that caliber are easy to handle while capable of throwing huge volumes of fire down range.

As an infantry weapon, I believe the 5.56mm round is superb. Even as an assault platform it is light, easy to control and deadly enough so that a handful of them will rip a person open. It has the range to reach out and touch somebody and its accuracy is good enough that Congress held an official inquerry in the military to see if soldiers were executing people or or just really good at getting headshots at range. It turned out that they were just really good shots.

While a 5.56mm round can never match the knock-down power of a 30cal, they are easier to control and you can carry lots of ammo for them.

All that being said, I really like the 7.62x51mm round. I also agree that we need a designated battle rifle for our troops other than refurbished M14s and M21s, as sexy and effeciant as they are. I just don't think a whole NEW caliber is needed - or, if so, I'm not convinced the 6.8mm is it. And if you like the SCAR-H then you may find this weapon to be to your fancy.


Well, Hollow point and fragmenting bullets are illegal in the Goneva convention. The 5.56mm was designed NOT to fragment- if it does, it's potentially a war crime.

So while your assertion that fragmenting bullets are more useful, you have to be wrong in the idea that 5.56mm x 45mm bullets are better becuase they do. Really, they don't, and are designed not to- it's the perfect NATO specification round. In truth, you can carry roughly twice as many 5.56mm x 45mm rounds; for weight and volume reasons combined. The problem is that they are a lot weaker; and not as efficiently designed. The 5.56mm x 45mm tends to either overpenetrate or underpenetrate- becuase it is such a small round, it loses and gains energy a lot faster instead of being consistent. Because of this, it's got a lot more flux and you HAVE to be at a certain distance for it to do a decent job; and even then it's not too good.

Secondly, it does not tumble. It's designed, as previously stated, not to tumble. It's designed to make a singular hole. Besides, armor piercing bullets, if they are specifically designed for it, overpenetrate and do usually not cause a large amount of bodily tissue damage. They are designed to slow down once they've pierced body armor, and THEN do the normal damage of a regular bullet. Because most of our enemies don't carry around body armor, it's a stupid suggestion to arm our people with only armor piercing rounds. They don't use a 'ball round' anymore in the military; they only did for a few years back in the 1960's.

I like the 6.8mm becuase you could take every m4 in our arsenal, do a quick barrel change, and as long as you could supply the ammunition and cartridges you'd be able to fire 6.8mm rounds from m-4 weapons systems. They are more accurate, and do more damage to people, not just body armor like the 5.56 is designed to do. As for 5.56mm rounds, that sounds like an awesome, uber high powered sub machine gun round to me.

I hear the 5.7mm x 28mm does well in it's platform- just make it a little bigger, and voila. They say the 5.56mm has very little recoil, and that the P90 has none; combine them, and, a very little recoil, pretty accurate high round armor piercing sub machine gun- plus a high powered rifle for us. Give a few units 7.62mm x 51mm guns that can change barrels into lighter weapons and voila, there you go! blaugh
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:18 pm


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Suicidesoldier#1
Well, I currently lead all of the squads, pretty much. Atm, not a reason for the need of more.

However, you MIGHT be able to lead a team- say red, blue, green, purple, etc.

But idk. You have to be good enough to; not just in skill, but in getting your team to execute the orders I tell them to as well.

I don't know if you are; therefore, I'd like either proof or a good argument. xp


Sir, i can prove it to you. i plan on joining the military after i graduate highschool anyway. I have Knowledge, Skill, and when i am assigned an objective, i don't quit until that objective is complete. And as far as ordering and securing men under various commands, i have the experience for that as well, and like i said, i command alot of unit's and squad's so i know how to command a team sir. I am well Diciplined. Therefor i'd like the opportunity to prove to you sir that i am capable to lead a team. And i'd like to lead Purple Team Sir.


Link to me your guild and army registration, and you passing basic training plz! blaugh

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GrayFox436

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:45 pm


As I said, under certain circomstances. The 5.56mm round does tumble and it does fracture, under proper conditions. I believe there were issues with its lethality which caused some controversy.

The bullet's velocity, and the design of the round itself, causes it to yaw grealy upon impact and tumble over itself. When this occurs, under ideal cicrcomstances, the round breaks apart and causes tremendous tissue damage as well as hydrostatic shock. However, like you said, the bullet is finicky when it comes to effective ranges.

I like the P90, although I have heard it is inacurate. The MP7, by all accounts, is an ideal personal defense weapon.

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.50cal and 25mm cannons are also illegal to use against humans in times of war. America still uses them - quiet frequently, in fact.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:18 pm


and cluster bombs and bomblet dispensers too

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GrayFox436

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:38 pm


*Nod*

The International Community can more or less go ******** itself.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:58 pm


GrayFox436
As I said, under certain circomstances. The 5.56mm round does tumble and it does fracture, under proper conditions. I believe there were issues with its lethality which caused some controversy.

The bullet's velocity, and the design of the round itself, causes it to yaw grealy upon impact and tumble over itself. When this occurs, under ideal cicrcomstances, the round breaks apart and causes tremendous tissue damage as well as hydrostatic shock. However, like you said, the bullet is finicky when it comes to effective ranges.

I like the P90, although I have heard it is inacurate. The MP7, by all accounts, is an ideal personal defense weapon.

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.50cal and 25mm cannons are also illegal to use against humans in times of war. America still uses them - quiet frequently, in fact.

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What do you mean? It was clear that the enemy was wearing a codpeice, it was the sniper's duty to disable it, lest it be used against his comrades in the infantry platoons.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:35 am


Suicidesoldier#1
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Well, I currently lead all of the squads, pretty much. Atm, not a reason for the need of more.

However, you MIGHT be able to lead a team- say red, blue, green, purple, etc.

But idk. You have to be good enough to; not just in skill, but in getting your team to execute the orders I tell them to as well.

I don't know if you are; therefore, I'd like either proof or a good argument. xp


Sir, i can prove it to you. i plan on joining the military after i graduate highschool anyway. I have Knowledge, Skill, and when i am assigned an objective, i don't quit until that objective is complete. And as far as ordering and securing men under various commands, i have the experience for that as well, and like i said, i command alot of unit's and squad's so i know how to command a team sir. I am well Diciplined. Therefor i'd like the opportunity to prove to you sir that i am capable to lead a team. And i'd like to lead Purple Team Sir.


Link to me your guild and army registration, and you passing basic training plz! blaugh


i'm not sure what you mean sir, i only control a bunch of units and squads from other guilds, i don't have my own guild sir. I run my own military division but in someone else's guild and i run a s.w.a.t. division sir with a police dept. and in another guild i run a marine division.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:04 am


then just post the links of the units or groups you lead.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:42 am


Sir, this is what i am in of:

S.W.A.T. Division for the Gaian National Police Department
Vice Captain for the Gaia Defenders
Vice Captain for the Gaian FBI HQ
My own personal army codenamed The Ravens(it's a guild but not in my command, long story) anyway, i command that.

and that's pretty much it Sir
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