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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 4:58 pm


There are no ******** benefits from using fluoride. All the claims dentists make about fluoride helping teeth are complete BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA. I feel so strongly about this because I am a VICTIM of a government fluoride program. When I was in grade 2-3 my whole school (I lived in a small native village) was given pink fluoride tablets by the government, and we were instructed to eat 1 or was it 2? a day. My mother thought she was doing the right thing following orders and made sure that I had mine every single day. This all occurred around the time my two front teeth were growing in. The result of these fluoride tablets was severe dental fluorosis. Not the white kind, but dark yellow stains on my two front teeth (Not just the surface but all the way through to the back side). By grade 4 the bullying and teasing was so extreme (even by grown adults, telling me to brush my teeth, because they looked dirty) that I begged my parents to spend money on getting my teeth "fixed". Well, the dentist's idea of "fixing" was to grind down my front teeth and apply a sort of acrylic paint over them, to make them look more white. But even THAT did not improve the look of them as much as I was expecting (you can see the edge of the paint and tooth, and the paint isn't very white). And the paint is now chipping and I have no dental insurance and would really like to get it fixed. This has been a life long struggle for me, all because of fluoride, and the big corporations lying about how good it is for your teeth. Fluoride and anyone who endorses it can go to ******** hell.
PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2010 10:38 pm


Fluorosis sucks, but it's the only clear adverse effect of fluoride in drinking water applications. Fluoride in the water is on the same level of amalgam fillings causing MS (and a ton of other things) in the sense that no one seems to be able to produce any convincing proof other than taking fluoride or mercury's properties out of context, or using "I stopped using this/had this removed and I'm cured!" stories.

I'm not endorsing fluoride, I feel people should have a choice, but the chemistry behind why it's supposed to be good for teeth makes sense. "Fluoride salts are used to enhance the strength of teeth by the formation of fluorapatite, a naturally occurring component of tooth enamel." All I'm saying is that anyone that thinks fluoride is evil, or dental amalgam is evil, or high fructose corn syrup is evil, etc. should just not use it. Simple. If one wasn't given a choice then that's an entirely different matter, but we have to live with what we're dealt.

I'm sorry for your experience, May, but I don't see fluoride as the demon that everyone claims it is because I've never seen any convincing, unbiased evidence against using it in the way it's used in drinking water. What happened to you was an aesthetic thing that no doubt caused you pain and I don't feel it was handled effectively. That said, other than the emotional pain and suffering caused by the discoloration and subsequent "repair", it didn't harm you and it certainly didn't poison you. People are cruel and when they want to hurt someone, they'll find anything to use as ammunition. If anything hurt you it was people, whether they be the people that forced the tablets upon you, the people that teased you, or the dentist that "fixed" the issue.

My teeth aren't in phenomenal shape, but if not for my mother taking prenatal supplements and fluoride in the water, they might be a lot worse, or they might not. I don't have a choice in there being fluoride in my water, but distilling my water is time consuming and buying drinking water becomes expensive quickly. It's easier to just drink the water and know that it might stain my teeth if I happen to drink an exorbitant amount. That's just how I feel about it, given my situation. I know you probably don't feel the same.

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 1:38 am


As long as Mercola keeps writing articles like these, I don't think I'll ever see it your way lol...

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/05/11/toxic-fluoride-contaminates-iceland-volcanic-ash-and-is-killing-animals.aspx
PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 10:11 pm


I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. If none of us disagreed there wouldn't be any discussion. xd

That still leaves us with the problem of their really being nothing we can do about it other than procure distilled water, ground water, or buy a reverse osmosis filter. That, or suck it up and drink the tap water.

EDIT: Here are some links that may be of interest.

http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/fluoride.html
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2692/is-fluoride-in-water-a-good-thing-or-a-danger

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 2:05 am


Amalgam is dangerous and evil as a teeth filler. It contains mercury, mercury is definitely evil. That's why dentists now rarely use amalgams (only on those with tight budget, here in my country).
PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:34 am


I will respect that long post Obscurus made on this page as it contained a side that I didn't know about. However, fluoride affects further than just the teeth and can cause fluorosis within the bone structure as well. and you don't intake as much by drinking as you do by breathing in the noxious fumes it, and hundreds of other chemicals in "drinking water", creates. Breathing in this sense being oral and via the skin. Like you say Obscurus it may have actual benefits, but that's when specifically applied topically. To ingest it is to simply poison yourself slowly. As such it has no right in drinking, bathing, cleaning or any other water.

-._-. It doesn't help that it's a nuclear waste byproduct either.

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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:09 pm


You guys, seriously, do you read anything but "truther" websites? Being open minded means looking at both sides of the debate and weighing the evidence (or lack thereof).

There are other factors at work in skeletal fluorosis than fluoride in the drinking water. Fluoridated drinking water mimics a beneficial natural phenomenon that was discovered in the 1930s. Please read the links I posted.

Also, mercury is bad for you, but do you guys even know what a mercury amalgam is? The mercury is bound to the other metals in the amalgam. Mercury has this nifty property of being able to bond with just about every other metal, including gold. It's mixed with silver and a few others in order to form dental amalgam for filling teeth. Once again, there's no scientific evidence to suggest that silver amalgam is dangerous. People that have them are exposed to a negligible amount of mercury due to mercury vapor released from the fillings. Specific values on this and how they compare to "safe" levels are in the article below. The only agreed risk is to those people that are allergic to metals.

As an example, I have around thirteen, give or take, amalgam fillings and I've had them since childhood. They are cheap and obviously very durable. I don't have MS or any other chronic disease that could not have a hereditary component. I think that mercury is reason to have concern, because like fluoride, it can cause problems in high dosages. The thing is that all of the fearmongering around fluoride, amalgam, and most likely several other subjects that I've done less research on, revolves around the tactics described in the Quackwatch article I linked to. As I've previously said, everything has risks, but if it didn't have a benefit then it wouldn't be used. If you want to go through the very expensive process of having all of your amalgam replaced with expensive ceramic or other materials then no one is stopping you. Also, don't forget about the recent concern about plastics and Bisphenol A, which are used in composite resins. I, however, will replace them when they fall out and live my life not worrying about the negligible amount of mercury. There are probably worse things in my environment to be concerned about. Hell, most of the world's fish are contaminated with some mercury now. You don't get dementia from eating fish now and then. Rather than bore you guys with this (I've studied mercury quite a bit, from several angles), I'll just give you this fairly unbiased article to review for yourselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_amalgam_controversy

The bottom line is that the jury is still out on a lot of the claims about amalgam, but there is a whole lot of evidence that supports the safety and efficacy of fluoridated drinking water.
PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:57 pm


Toxic Fluoride Dangers EXPOSED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjfMff_woCo

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:06 pm


Quote:
Just swallowing more than a pea size of tooth paste is considered POISON

lolwut?

What do you suggest, that we use inferior cleaning techniques (thereby contaminating our drinking water with pestilence) or using a more expensive cleaning technique (thereby making clean water even more unaffordable to even more poor people)?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:16 pm


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Just swallowing more than a pea size of tooth paste is considered POISON

lolwut?

What do you suggest, that we use inferior cleaning techniques (thereby contaminating our drinking water with pestilence) or using a more expensive cleaning technique (thereby making clean water even more unaffordable to even more poor people)?


I think there's some confusion. Fluoride isn't used for sterilizing the water. That's chlorine. Fluoride is added specifically for it's benefit to dental health.

I apologize if I'm misinterpreting your post in some way.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:17 pm


Obscurus
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Just swallowing more than a pea size of tooth paste is considered POISON

lolwut?

What do you suggest, that we use inferior cleaning techniques (thereby contaminating our drinking water with pestilence) or using a more expensive cleaning technique (thereby making clean water even more unaffordable to even more poor people)?


I think there's some confusion. Fluoride isn't used for sterilizing the water. That's chlorine. Fluoride is added specifically for it's benefit to dental health.

I apologize if I'm misinterpreting your post in some way.


Probably should apologize for replying at all wink

Its' specifically sodium fluoride too.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:32 pm


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Quote:
Just swallowing more than a pea size of tooth paste is considered POISON

lolwut?

What do you suggest, that we use inferior cleaning techniques (thereby contaminating our drinking water with pestilence) or using a more expensive cleaning technique (thereby making clean water even more unaffordable to even more poor people)?


I think there's some confusion. Fluoride isn't used for sterilizing the water. That's chlorine. Fluoride is added specifically for it's benefit to dental health.

I apologize if I'm misinterpreting your post in some way.


Probably should apologize for replying at all wink

Its' specifically sodium fluoride too.


Sodium fluoride is only one of three chemicals used to fluoridate water.

"Fluorosilicic acid is the most commonly used additive for water fluoridation, followed by two dry additives—sodium fluorosilicate and sodium fluoride. Fluorosilicic acid is derived from production of phosphate fertilizers. Phosphate rock which is comprised of calcium phosphate, calcium fluoride, apatite ore, and limestone, is mixed and heated with sulfuric acid to form a phosphoric acid-gypsum slurry, the starting point to make pelletized phosphate fertilizers. The hydrogen fluoride and silicon tetrafluoride that would otherwise be left in the gypsum slurry is deliberately recovered from the slurry by evaporators and condensed to a high purity fluorosilicic acid that can be used for water fluoridation. Both sodium fluorosilicate and sodium fluoride are created by neutralizing fluorosilicic acid with either sodium chloride (table salt) or caustic soda." Source: http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/faqs.htm#18

Which chemical is used depends on the water district. There's a website I found a while ago that lets you look up the fluoridation levels and what chemical is used for individual water districts.

http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/MWF/Index.asp

I believe that is the one.

My water district uses sodium fluoride for fluoridation.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:21 pm



I'll have my boyfriend come on and let you guys know when I die from fluoride use. I currently have a bottle of it for use after brushing my teeth because I have an insane cavity and I can't afford to get it filled. It lessens the pain and can help rebuild the tooth. If I have to die to get some relief from the pain, so be it. So far, it's working. Yesterday on a scale of 1-10, the pain was a 20 (can't focus on anything else, random pangs bad enough to send me to my knees, couldn't even eat a yogurt). Today it's been at most a 4, usually more of a 1-2. That's a huge difference.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:16 am


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I'll have my boyfriend come on and let you guys know when I die from fluoride use. I currently have a bottle of it for use after brushing my teeth because I have an insane cavity and I can't afford to get it filled. It lessens the pain and can help rebuild the tooth. If I have to die to get some relief from the pain, so be it. So far, it's working. Yesterday on a scale of 1-10, the pain was a 20 (can't focus on anything else, random pangs bad enough to send me to my knees, couldn't even eat a yogurt). Today it's been at most a 4, usually more of a 1-2. That's a huge difference.

buy some orajel or topical mouth numbing agent. i don't understand why you would think fluoride would help your cavity.

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