OMG I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.
You don't really actually argue much now do you and you only seem to be polite to people you know.
See all the little buzz words such as Seem
Nothing is actually asserted in my statement, and the first half is a question
Just because you didn't get something to begin with it pretty damn funny that you continue to do much of the same.
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Why would how mortals perceive and define a being determine it's existence?
I never said that it would
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Why would your personal beliefs limit the ability of others?
I never said this
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I contest this assertion on the grounds that living within the ecosystem allows me to observe the ecosystem.
I ask for support. I ask for the validity of perception. I ask for you to prove that your observations are accurate.
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Which realms would these be?
I explained this, I did not tell you to believe it. If you don't like my definition you don't have to accept it. I accept it because I've perceived it and other people have confirming my perception.
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Please do not project. I often know when people lie, thank you.
I ask you to validate your knowledge and perception.
I ask you to tell me how I'm "projecting"
If anything you are projecting on me. You are inferring that I am projecting my inability on others while I would argue that you can never truly KNOW anything
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Who really bases their care on our concept of harm when applied to the worshipers. If someone breaks a covenant and is harmed for it, they made their choice.
You asked WHO I answered I do
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Perhaps those people shouldn't be trying to prey on spirits.
Talk about projecting XD
"a defense mechanism in which one attributes to others, one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or emotions"
You seem to do alot of this... I mean I keep seeing you do things then try to tell me I'm doing them.
I say something you tell me I mean something completely other then what I meant
It is interesting but really quite tedious. How about you reread what you write ^_^
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So, this portion of your position rests on your personal appeals to authority?
That you are somehow in a position wherein what you say becomes objective reality for no justification beyond you believe it?
When ever did I say that anything was ever true throughout my entire reply?
My words were specifically that people were contradicting themselves thus I didn't believe what they were saying
Also all words are concepts, all definitions are concepts because they are representations of things rather then the thing themselves. In this way all perception is a concept as it is a representation of an object not an object itself.
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In some cases, it is an expression of an observation
And because its observed means its true?
It means that your Observation is true. Why would your observation be true. What makes your observation true. What is truth?
A person with schizophrenia may observe many things but others wouldn't consider there observations true. People can hear voices, or see things because they can't translate the information perfectly, accurately.
Light bounces off an object at a certain frequency. We run tests after test verifying, seconding, confirming, because our perception of events is true? Because we percieve the entirety of an event? Because we are even Capable of perceiving the entirety of event. We don't even perceive a fraction of what goes on in the world around us. We siphon through soo much information... and your going to argue that perception is the end all be all of existance. That its True, that you so flawed in your ability to retain information as you are could possibly Know all the tangents of existence
We use Multiple observers in order to verify information in order to make sure that Data is correct. That is what I used to test my information. This seemed like a better decision then what most people rely on, such as you and your own perception of events and Only your perception of events to know if someone is lying.
In this case you as a singular entity decided that someone is lying based solely on your perception. This seems like a really well thought out argument to you?
We use psuedo science constantly through out our lives to verify what we see hear and perceive because there is no way to know the actuality of existance. We rely on other people consistently and constantly to provide a context for how we see existance. We create illusory meanings and associations to items which have no basis accept through our societal frame work. All definitions are Personal things, they are our own conceptualizations of existence.
I use No Appeal to Authority. I don't even say that what I have seen is 100% accurate I just say it is more proof then any christian I have ever met has had.
As to your accusation that I used an argument from ignorance stop trying to misuse logic. I stated very explicitly that other peoples definitions contradicted each other and gave an example and rather then argue how the example Did not contradict itself you tell me that I am arguing that I am not creative enough to understand how that could exist?
Free will negates a deterministic universe. Why don't you argue how it doesn't instead of writing off my assertion as a logical fallacy
"may not have been anything more than their unsupported personal opinion" You somehow didn't think I knew this??? And you make assumptions consistently as to my ignorance. You just make assumption after assumption consistently and then still are trying to argue that my words mean something other then what they do. It seems like maybe your over compensating for getting something I said wrong thus instead of just letting it go you want to push the envelope because it hurts your ego.
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Actually, you are. You're simply using weasel words to do so in hopes no one will challenge your flawed claims.
Which really isn't how things work around here.
Wow ... you really are god. You just seem to be right even when your wrong. Infallible right?
I believe in a few things in existance for one reason and one reason alone. I would kill myself for lack of a reason to live otherwise and I stated that already. It was either death or belief and I flipped a coin.
A deterministic universe means that everything is predetermined... what meaning is there to movement then?
What reason is there for existence? It just is. Thus my involvement in it is absolutely pointless. I could stop being involved at any time and it would just be.
Why don't you argue the point of a deterministic universe?
Why don't you fathom how it is Possible!
If someone did fathom how it was possible then I wouldn't assert it. I only make assertions of any sort because I haven't found anything to negate it yet. If I found something to negate it then I would stop saying it. If I can't Fathom something I am not going to say that it is possible. That is the definition of being unfathomable.
If you can Fathom it why don't you go ahead and do so and thus actually argue.
The observer affect only relates how you as a person cannot know everything. Other then the fact that your perception works mostly on flawed biofeedback loops and you don't retain but a small fraction of what your body can possibly percieve you are also influencing your surroundings while they are being created changing and shaping them.
I'm not sure why your bringing up the disintegrated world view, its an observable phenomenon which implies that in order to fully conceptualize the world you would need all data including the data of the observer. Thats how its used in psychology, a system isn't a natural system as long as your In it affecting it.
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"Your perception of it is also skewed and translated and altered by your personal bias's your will and desire. "
The proof by assertion is getting a little tiresome.
So is your lack of saying anything of substance
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Idiots ******** up. Thoughtless people ******** up. Sometimes people do get suckered. Unless there is no personal responsibility in the situation, it takes two to tango.
I thought there was some projection going on there
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For some reason this strikes me more as a comment upon potential personal delusion or the quality of the individuals you associate with.
And just for shits and giggles, it reads as a biased sample.
I've randomly surveyed people at a grocery store. I do alot of random surveys in grocery stores, its one of the ways I tested whether or not I could read people.
I justify the oblivious and deluded as I've talked to alot of deluded and oblivious people who didn't know they were having the energy leached out of them. I don't think a person Who Knew that they were having energy leeched out of them would continue to allow it to happen.
I have intervened on peoples behalves when I have seen this happened and I generally get thanked afterwards or the person just feels better/ is happier thus all is well.
Most of the people who I have met who weren't oblivious or deluded weren't being leeched... 2+2=4
It is easier to pray on oblivious deluded people because they don't know whats going on so don't stop it.
Sometimes they Want it to happen and think that something else is going on because the spirit is deluding them. They may be promised things. While I personally have not tested whether or not I could leech and dupe a deluded/oblivious person thus I don't know how much easier it may be I do know that its easier to affect deluded people. From several conversations I've had with others who do leech energy from people oblivious people are usually easier to leech ambient energy from. Its a mixed answer on oblivious people whether you can leech things other then ambient energy.
Soo... the end all fail of existance I have based it on mine and other peoples observations as There isn't very much to use to test anything on the spiritual or any other plane then this.
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Do you labor under the impression that somehow having attended college makes your position more valid?
Also, if you are hoisting this up as some kind of demonstration of authority, it doesn't work without proof of the validity of the education.
And for a minor personal suggestion, I recommend going back and taking a writing class and some formal logic.
You said that I was using technical terms in order to make my position seem more valid. I replied that I talk like this because this is how I always talk unless I'm purposefully trying to sound uneducated to make people more comfortable or I'm joking around.
I think your whole demonstration of authority comment is projection and your lashing out at my post because your taking out misplaced past irritants out on me
razz Of course I'm probably wrong I just felt like teasing you
Want to argue particulars instead of just trying to label everything I say flawed? Or are you going to continue to not put anything real on the table
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