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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:53 am
Unless he/she is being symbollic, I highly doubt it.
If that were the case, then more doctors than I previously thought must really suck to allow that to happen because pregnancy in itself is a natural process and not a harmful diesease.
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:42 pm
Quote: Yet another reason we need artificial wombs... I don't feel like spending nine months eating and sleeping (I eat 5 to 7 times already and I'm not pregnant... and I sleep 8 hours already not pregnant yet at times will STILL be exhausted. So that really isn't too far of a strech for me). You don't feel like being pregnant? Maybe you should think about that before you feel like having sex, huh? An artificial womb could never replace a woman's body, it's something that is vital to the developmental process. If you have artificial wombs, then why even bother raise your children, if you didn't have to birth it? You're taking away some of the most important things about life! The connection a mother has with her offspring. Yes, there are surrogate mothers and adoptive mothers, but that's different, to take away the womb completely from the life process would be silly. That's the thing that enrages me most about society. Life isn't about how we feel, what we want. It's about haw things are. What the facts are. Truth is truth. -Whyette
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:17 am
whyette Quote: Yet another reason we need artificial wombs... I don't feel like spending nine months eating and sleeping (I eat 5 to 7 times already and I'm not pregnant... and I sleep 8 hours already not pregnant yet at times will STILL be exhausted. So that really isn't too far of a strech for me). You don't feel like being pregnant? Maybe you should think about that before you feel like having sex, huh? An artificial womb could never replace a woman's body, it's something that is vital to the developmental process. If you have artificial wombs, then why even bother raise your children, if you didn't have to birth it? You're taking away some of the most important things about life! The connection a mother has with her offspring. Yes, there are surrogate mothers and adoptive mothers, but that's different, to take away the womb completely from the life process would be silly. That's the thing that enrages me most about society. Life isn't about how we feel, what we want. It's about haw things are. What the facts are. Truth is truth. -Whyette Artificial wombs are good, because they take away the only fairly good argument from the Pro-Choice side; That being that they shouldn't have to allow someone to live inside them if they don't want to. We aren't saying, "Well one these are out, everyone should use them!" In fact, I'd say that most people here would think that it's probably better to do it the old fashioned way (Unless you have a medical condition that requires it.) But it's far better for fetuses to live through artificial wombs then to die by abortion.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:58 am
No, I do want to have children one day. But right now (especially up at school) if I was to get pregnant the chance of me dying or needing sevre hospitalization is high. Last semester I came to school weight 105 lbs. In 4 months because of the food up here I lost 11 lbs. I only gained one back. If I was to say get pregnant this year and then have the same problems I did last year I'd lose the 11 lbs again (dropping me to 84 lbs) and on top of that the nutrients that I would be taking in would be in an internal battle between myself and any child I carry. I'm not willing to put myself at that risk until I want a child. And when I do, if the problem comes up the abortion will still happen. I'm not only looking oyt for my well being but any child I might want.
Now you are thinking I should stop having sex, I have two words. Screw that. If you were to bother to read the thread that I have then you would know that I have fallen to the path of only having an abortion with a threat to my, or any child I'm carrying, health. And I will have to throw in my mental health as well because my manic depresent disorder is still not under control with my meds and therapy. The manic is higher than the depressent but the down falls there is I'm more reckless.
Actually if science was to develop an artificial womb they would make sure to the develop it to the stage that it WOULD be able to replace a woman's body. A pacemaker can replace a heart can it not? The artifical womb would be desinged to replace the uterus.
Now I suggest you go and actually LEARN about a person before you start making the assumptions you are. It'll help you out in the long run because of the glorious saying about the word assume.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:22 am
Vivnox Actually if science was to develop an artificial womb they would make sure to the develop it to the stage that it WOULD be able to replace a woman's body. A pacemaker can replace a heart can it not? The artifical womb would be desinged to replace the uterus. Actually, a pacemaker doesn't replace the heart, it replaces only a part of the heart (Also called a pacemaker). What it does is make sure that the heart beats with the proper rhythm. However, they are developing a mechanical heart, and your argument is still valid. sweatdrop I'd say it's more like a pair of mechanical lungs; For as long as your lungs aren't working, you need the mechanical lungs to live, but it's only temporary. Hopefully.
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:27 am
sachiko_sohma Hearing Pro-choicers saying it's about the right for her to do whatever her body but the last time I checked the fetus is not her body. It's inside her body and depends on her but it's not her and shes not the fetus. So how is aborting aliving thing that is not her a right over her body? Tell me what you guys think. I've often wondered the same thing.
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:17 pm
Wisdo Actually, someone in the ED thread said, that pregnancy kills more often than AIDS. Which was a tad silly, I think. What is your opinion on this? b***h please. AIDS ultimately kills 100% of those with it. If the mortality rate of pregnancy were that high, our species would not exist.
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 12:24 pm
whyette You don't feel like being pregnant? Maybe you should think about that before you feel like having sex, huh? An artificial womb could never replace a woman's body, it's something that is vital to the developmental process. If you have artificial wombs, then why even bother raise your children, if you didn't have to birth it? You're taking away some of the most important things about life! The connection a mother has with her offspring. Yes, there are surrogate mothers and adoptive mothers, but that's different, to take away the womb completely from the life process would be silly. Women don't have to breastfeed because of technology, do you have an issue with that? Raising a child is about a psychological connection (beyond feeding him/her, of course). Carrying a fetus for 9 months is a physical drain, and though some women like it, many don't feel a psychological connection to the fetus at all--that's why some women are pro-choice. If foster mothers can love their children, so can women who let their children develop in artificial wombs. If I have kids, I'll adopt them, and I'll never feel any resentment toward them for stretch marks, weight gain, back problems, etc. that I might've had if I got pregnant with them.
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Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:38 pm
La Veuve Zin Wisdo Actually, someone in the ED thread said, that pregnancy kills more often than AIDS. Which was a tad silly, I think. What is your opinion on this? b***h please. AIDS ultimately kills 100% of those with it. If the mortality rate of pregnancy were that high, our species would not exist. Their point being that AIDS actually kills no-one. The infections do. It was ridiculous to me, but it seemed they believed it 100%.
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:53 pm
Whether there is a psychological connection or not, there is still something gained from a real womb. I apologize for my comments earlier, because I know that a mother can have a connection and love an adopted child. But there is something special that comes from the process of birth through the woman's body.
I'm also concerned about the lives that might be taken in the testing of an artificial womb. Besides, animal rights people would freak out if we tried it on animals, but humans, that's okay!! (Sorry, that's a completely different topic.)
I'm just saying that having a child is not something that you feel like doing. It is something irreplaceable in the cycle of life. I understand that, as a guy, my opinion might not be worth a whole lot, but I think that using an artificial womb would be... wrong.
The consequence of having sex, is having a baby. It's a good consequence, no doubt, but for some, it's a horrible thing to happen. However, I think that that should be something you think about before having sex.
I really don't think that the pain of child bearing could ever overpower the joy that a person would feel in having a child. I look forward to the day I can bring a person into the world. Not the fornication itself, but the actual act of bringing someone into the world. It's a great thing to think about.
I know, off topic in someplaces, but I'm fairly tired (not that that is an excuse, but whatever...)
-Whyette
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:02 pm
I don't hink the artificial womb woul dbe horrible at all. It would actualy save lives. Think of the women who have complications. That baby form in her tubes? WHt then? You just abort the baby because th emother will never know the "feelings of real birth?" Some woman, and this is with my girl frined, find child birth terrifying, and yet beautiful all the same. I mean they think its a beautiful process...but the idea of what you feel and go through personally scares them.
The artificial womb would be for woman who may not survive birth, who have complications duirng pregancy, and who have physcologicle problems with giving birth. It would only become disgustign if it was being abused.
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:39 am
Then there's the way it's done. It's not like it's removing a whole fetus and letting it die naturally. It's killing the fetus in the womb and pulling it out in pieces. It's not about just her body, she's got the right over the fetus' body too.
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:16 pm
Wisdo Actually, someone in the ED thread said, that pregnancy kills more often than AIDS. Which was a tad silly, I think. What is your opinion on this? What the? Are people becoming brain dead now? Millions of people die of aids (which alot of people get from having sex, that should be a clue for them) but I hardly hear about woman dying during child birth, yes it does happen at times but lot like it used to long ago. Abortion is a form of population control not birth control, they rid of babies which will ruin socity later, without kids what would happen to us?
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:39 pm
sachiko_sohma Wisdo Actually, someone in the ED thread said, that pregnancy kills more often than AIDS. Which was a tad silly, I think. What is your opinion on this? What the? Are people becoming brain dead now? Millions of people die of aids (which alot of people get from having sex, that should be a clue for them) but I hardly hear about woman dying during child birth, yes it does happen at times but lot like it used to long ago. Abortion is a form of population control not birth control, they rid of babies which will ruin socity later, without kids what would happen to us? Actually, they are using a technically true point; AIDS doesn't kill -anyone-. "All" it does is weaken the immune system substantially. What kills people with AIDS is the infection that they get because their immune system is unable to take care of it; The common cold, chicken pox, whatever. But most people think of it as AIDS killing the person, because, often, people with AIDS are so weakened by the virus that they die of things that the immune system would ordinarily just shrug off. And AIDS does lead to their death, because it would be no problem if they had a properly working immune system. So they are trying to use a technicallity to fight their side; And using the fact that most people think AIDS kills everyone who contracts it, they compare it to pregnancy. I think it is truly disgusting that they would use the death of AIDS victims in such a way. Saying, "AIDS didn't really kill them, even though without AIDS they wouldn't have died. So AIDS does kill less then pregnancy! Hahahahah!". It really annoys me.
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:26 pm
sachiko_sohma Hearing Pro-choicers saying it's about the right for her to do whatever her body but the last time I checked the fetus is not her body. It's inside her body and depends on her but it's not her and shes not the fetus. So how is aborting aliving thing that is not her a right over her body? Tell me what you guys think. I agree.
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