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 Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:22 pm
A string of conciousness created by the past karmas. It is not a soul, not a permanence, but an ever-changing thing that is not the same as what came before. It retains no memories or linkage to the previous incarnation on that karmatic string aside from it. And since enlightenment is the cessation of that karma, I don't think you could consider that string a soul either - especially not since the goal is to destroy it. 3nodding
For example, say the karma of a soldier in WWII comes to fruition after he dies, and a baby girl is born from it. She is not the soldier, the soldier is not her, but the soldier's life impacts hers none the less.
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:14 pm
Byaggha No soul, no shoes, no problem. 3nodding Misinformation like that gets out frequently. No, there's no soul in Buddhist doctrine - the impermanence of everything, including you, is a central tenet of the faith. Then what is it that reincarnates until one achieves enlightenment? I can't really lay it down in words what a "soul" is. However, if you want to find it, sit down and contemplate about how you are not your sneakers, boots, after school activities, your gaia account, your belief in the democrublican party, your hands or feet,... and whittle yourself down like so. How much of what you are is because you were in circumstances that lead you to pick that up? What could be different if you were born under different circumstances? Those are not the core of who you are. This form of meditation can take a lifetime, with an interesting ride along the way.
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:16 pm
neko wyndy wytch To the one that I serve Like I said. My soul theory is that the soul is a combination of elements. 1: The Mind (percieves the mysteries, contains thoughts and emotions) 2: The Body (physical form which allows us to gain experiences and learn lessons) 3: The Spirit (Life force) 4: The Shade (Personality/reflection of this life unique to each life) 5: The SuSoul (contains experiences, connection to the all, learns the lessons, ect) I will give my all i like this, much cleaner, simpler way of organizing what i said. ._.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:59 am
PrometheanSet Then what is it that reincarnates until one achieves enlightenment? Just explained that one post up from yours. And Buddhists don't believe in reincarnation due to the tendency for people to link it to the need for a soul. Rebirth is something else, with different tendencies and ways of functioning. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:36 am
To the one that I serve I'll have to read my source on this then. Thank you Bya. I will give my all
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:44 am
I live to inform. 3nodding
Let me know if I can help at all. My sources are all quite good. biggrin
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:04 pm
To the one that I serve It also might be my teacher wasn't able to express the concepts as clearly as he would have liked. We went straight from Hinduism to a unit on Budhisim and have since started a unit on Sikisim. So I think that may be part of how I got confused. I will give my all
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:16 pm
Chieftain Twilight i like this, much cleaner, simpler way of organizing what i said. ._. To the one that I serve It's really only a theory I've started to develop or at keast sketch more detailed explanations. I will give my all
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:04 pm
neko wyndy wytch To the one that I serve It also might be my teacher wasn't able to express the concepts as clearly as he would have liked. We went straight from Hinduism to a unit on Budhisim and have since started a unit on Sikisim. So I think that may be part of how I got confused. I will give my all In your teacher's defense, it's fairly simple to cross up the Vedic traditions due to similar terms and words being used for different concepts. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:32 pm
neko wyndy wytch Chieftain Twilight i like this, much cleaner, simpler way of organizing what i said. ._. To the one that I serve It's really only a theory I've started to develop or at keast sketch more detailed explanations. I will give my all same for myself, though based on personal out-of-body experiences and conversations with beings both physical and spiritual.
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:55 pm
Byaggha PrometheanSet Then what is it that reincarnates until one achieves enlightenment? Just explained that one post up from yours. And Buddhists don't believe in reincarnation due to the tendency for people to link it to the need for a soul. Rebirth is something else, with different tendencies and ways of functioning. 3nodding Then how is that consciousness, Karma and Dharma not the composition of a soul? Having the same soul does not necessarily imply they are the same being.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:15 pm
PrometheanSet Then how is that consciousness, Karma and Dharma not the composition of a soul? Having the same soul does not necessarily imply they are the same being. Conciousness is dependent on other things to exist - without the sense organs and the mind to process them, it doesn't arise. Without those conditions, it simply isnt there. It's not permanent, and changes from moment to moment - the closest you could get to finding a 'you' in it is a single, instantaneous time-slice that will change in less than the time it takes to blink. Karma is action/reaction. It's a relationship and not an entity. Without something to manifest it, it doesn't exist or get created either. I'm not sure why you're bringing Dharma into it for Buddhism, as all Dharma is is the Buddhist teachings. It wouldn't really come into play for a soul in Buddhism, as the whole of the faith rejects the Hindu class system as a method for ascertaining personal Dharma. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:58 pm
Byaggha PrometheanSet Then how is that consciousness, Karma and Dharma not the composition of a soul? Having the same soul does not necessarily imply they are the same being. Conciousness is dependent on other things to exist - without the sense organs and the mind to process them, it doesn't arise. Without those conditions, it simply isnt there. It's not permanent, and changes from moment to moment - the closest you could get to finding a 'you' in it is a single, instantaneous time-slice that will change in less than the time it takes to blink. Karma is action/reaction. It's a relationship and not an entity. Without something to manifest it, it doesn't exist or get created either. I'm not sure why you're bringing Dharma into it for Buddhism, as all Dharma is is the Buddhist teachings. It wouldn't really come into play for a soul in Buddhism, as the whole of the faith rejects the Hindu class system as a method for ascertaining personal Dharma. 3nodding Somehow, that makes even less sense that way. Why should I be punished for someone else's Karma that I inherit? That sounds vaguely like original sin, only with less justification. But hey, life is suffering, no? You also might want to make a disclaimer to that statement or find a way to divorce Buddhism from Tibetan Buddhism.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:55 pm
I believe (classicaly) that if there's a soul, it's simple. A non-layered and non-complicated "something".
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Okay, it's an old and unliked question, but... where (or how) does the soul connect with the body? Any refreshing ideas?
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:43 pm
as i said, i think that that Mind bridges the Soul to the Body. :3 it is contained within the Brain, but is part of the Soul.
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