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 Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:08 pm
Sheagorath_The_MadGod anyone want to reply to my earlier comment on christianity having its roots in several diffrent religions mainly Atenism ? I told you that well over half their holidays were taken from the Wiccan religion, and that the pentacle that is "so evil" used by the wiccans was used by christians before wiccans adopted it =/
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:14 pm
actually Sahmain was a gealic holiday not wiccan it was called Sahmain though
actually the holidays practitioners wore costumes to scare off bad spirits
jack O lanterns were actually never carved from pumpkins until irsih immagrants came to America and before in ireland they were carved into turnips, patatoes and so on they were actually ment to scare off bad spirits
and it may have gotten some its holidays, LATER from gealic, celtic and so on religions but Christainitys roots or so i think are buried deeeeep in Egypts past when Ahkenatonfounded Atenism or the worship of one all mighty god and life giver
you have to understand that Wicca is extremly new and it could not have influenced Christinaity in any way, Gealic, celtic and so on religions were the main source later on in its history for holidays and many other things
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:42 pm
Sheagorath_The_MadGod actually Sahmain was a gealic holiday not wiccan it was called Sahmain though actually the holidays practitioners wore costumes to scare off bad spirits jack O lanterns were actually never carved from pumpkins until irsih immagrants came to America and before in ireland they were carved into turnips, patatoes and so on they were actually ment to scare off bad spirits and it may have gotten some its holidays, LATER from gealic, celtic and so on religions but Christainitys roots or so i think are buried deeeeep in Egypts past when Ahkenatonfounded Atenism or the worship of one all mighty god and life giver you have to understand that Wicca is extremly new and it could not have influenced Christinaity in any way, Gealic, celtic and so on religions were the main source later on in its history for holidays and many other things We have records of the old Wiccan beliefs being around long before christianity. I studied Wicca for quite a while, but I never made it the 1 year and 1 day, but I still learn about it from my sister-in-law who studied it for 4 years and has been into and practicing the religions since for about 7 years. the new age wiccans are relatively new, but there are wiccan beliefs that trail back to before christianity was ever around
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:45 pm
Wicca was founded quiet recently and is actually a mixture of ancient Celtic, gealic and many more beliefs and religions
it is not an ancient religion and if you asked any historian they would agree
youre religion came about becuase it is a melting pot for ancient religions that the Romans and kater the christians supressed
and for you to say that Samhain is a purly and original Wiccan holiday is like saying Druidism, and all the other religions of pre-Roman times did not exist (well not really sense not all of them had Sahmain but you get my point)
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:57 pm
Sheagorath_The_MadGod Wicca was founded quiet recently and is actually a mixture of ancient Celtic, gealic and many more beliefs and religions it is not an ancient religion and if you asked any historian they would agree youre religion came about becuase it is a melting pot for ancient religions that the Romans and kater the christians supressed and for you to say that Samhain is a purly and original Wiccan holiday is like saying Druidism, and all the other religions of pre-Roman times did not exist (well not really sense not all of them had Sahmain but you get my point) It was recently established as a religion but the beliefs have been around for a lot longer than you think... Wiccan Beliefs The term "Wicca" normally implies that the person's religion is based upon Celtic spiritual concepts, deities, and seasonal days of celebration. Some Wiccans include beliefs, practices and symbols from ancient Pagan religions (e.g. Egyptian, Greek, various mystery religions, Roman, Sumerian) or upon Aboriginal religions (Native American Spirituality, Shamanism). so yes, Wicca as a religion has been newly founded, but they are a mixture of a bunch of pagen beliefs. Basically they picked and chose a bunch of beliefs from what they have been practicing. Found enough people that believed the same ones as them. Banded together and became Wicca. But their beliefs have been around since all of those ancient religions. So in a way, it is an ancient religion, though newly founded. I never said it was a purely wiccan holiday, but it is best known to my area as a wiccan holiday, especially since out of all the religions it goes with, wicca is the only one widely practed today. And I merely said that the wiccan belief of Sahmain and the Pagen belief of All Hallow's Eve is how we got Halloween. I never said that it was only the Wiccans the believed in it. MY religion is not a melting pot of those religions as mine is Agnosticism with a bit of Spiritualism. Well, perhaps more Taoist... I have no idea what I believe. I just know I consider myself agnostic
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:04 pm
all hollows eve is christian stare
one of the popes made that holiday as a day to honor dead saints and matyrs it is now halloween and i think only super christians still conect it with that
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:08 pm
Sheagorath_The_MadGod all hollows eve is christian stare one of the popes made that holiday as a day to honor dead saints and matyrs it is now halloween and i think only super christians still conect it with that All Hallows eve, comes before all saints day. But, in the 5th century BC, in Celtic Ireland, summer officially ended on October 31. The holiday was called Samhain (sow-en), the Celtic New year. it is not a christian holiday.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:11 pm
actually it is, the pope tried to cover it up and supress the older "Pagan" holiday by replacing it with a christian holiday
the original holiday was entirly diffrent and is in almsot no way related to All hallows eve
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:16 pm
Sheagorath_The_MadGod actually it is, the pope tried to cover it up and supress the older "Pagan" holiday by replacing it with a christian holiday the original holiday was entirly diffrent and is in almsot no way related to All hallows eve do some research, just google All Hallows Eve... just about all you will pull up is celtic beliefs... nothing about a pope. can you tell me which pope this was? because you're probably thinking of All Saints Day. =/ which is the day to remember the saints. which is what you described when trying to convince me that hallows eve was to remember other saints.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:23 pm
hmmmmmmmm maybe i mis read something
By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in A.D. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas.
there we go, by the way thats from the history channles website stare
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:30 pm
I always liked the bible it's a good story book more so than mother goose, other than that I don't take it the least bit seriously.
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:47 pm
Sheagorath_The_MadGod hmmmmmmmm maybe i mis read something By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in A.D. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas.there we go, by the way thats from the history channles website stare All Hallows Eve is not the same holiday as All Saints day... that passage even said so. and he came up with this holiday "All Saints Da" or "All Hallow's Day" (the day AFTER Samhain or Sow-en) to replace Samhain (or sow-en) which is the Celtic day of the dead. Sure, the name All Hallow's Eve is a branch off the Christian day "All Hallows Day" but eve is the day before which just HAPPENS to be the day of Samhain (or sow-en) which by the way, that passage even backs up what I said. The Holiday the pope made up "All Hallow's Day" is also called "All Saints Day" =/
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:58 pm
read it more carefully wink
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:56 pm
I did
and all it said was that samhain (which was around before all hallow's day (or all saints day) began to be called all hallow's eve...
you know, seeing as it just HAPPENS to be the night before all saints day... doesn't mean he made up the holiday celebrated on Oct. 31st
the holiday he made up is one that did not succeed which was Nov 1st my dear.
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