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 Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:18 pm
dTranquility Sometimes I just hate how atheist post picture about belief. -_- It's just annoying. They don't even come out with any points. True that.
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 8:51 pm
If they are pretty cool with ppl having religion, then Im cool with them. But if they are angry, little ppl who act a fool, then Im not cool with them. I have not ran into too many atheists in real life but I have came across a lot here on Gaia. They usually try to act like they know it all and use their atheist views as a shield. I cannot envision waking up in the morning, alive and well, even if my day is crappy, after knowing that babies, children, adults, who were in good health just die in their sleep and then say: "Oh, I dont believe in Allah SWT or God." Or being able to eat, sleep, pee, poo, have sex, pray and drink (the halal of course) then say: "Allah SWT or God doesnt exist." That's real ungrateful. This is my response in an old post to a rather angry atheist: Quote: Also Im a human being and I dont have to indulge in your tactic of testing my knowledge on Islam after I have given you an answer to your rather biased questions. If I wanted to become a better debater, I would signed up for classes on debating in college. So then I would know how to debate FOR REAL and not just talk smack to push ppl's buttons and make questions to stump ppl. Please dont think that since you are an atheist your stance is so secure on the religious issues just because you say you dont believe in God. That's just being a coward and its like youre saying: I dont believe in God so I dont have any limits as far as religious goes, I can say anything I want about anyone and they cant touch me." Also since you are an atheist, why the hell would you care about God and my belief in Him anyway? As far as youre concerned, you and me are going to just live out our lives, die and become a big pile of rotting compost in the ground, w/o having to deal with the consequences of our good and bad deeds. So what would be the point in trying to make your atheism such a big deal by debating with ppl who believe in God when in your state of belief is we are all going to just live and die. That's a lonely, ungrateful excuse of an existence. You eat, drink, relieve yourself, have sex with whoever and whatever you want and then deny God's gifts upon you. So excuse me if my way of life actually reminds me that I didnt get these gifts ALL BY MYSELF, me being a human being in all. And with that said, I have no reason to talk with atheists on religion.
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:50 pm
bilqisnargis If they are pretty cool with ppl having religion, then Im cool with them. But if they are angry, little ppl who act a fool, then Im not cool with them. I have not ran into too many atheists in real life but I have came across a lot here on Gaia. They usually try to act like they know it all and use their atheist views as a shield. I cannot envision waking up in the morning, alive and well, even if my day is crappy, after knowing that babies, children, adults, who were in good health just die in their sleep and then say: "Oh, I dont believe in Allah SWT or God." Or being able to eat, sleep, pee, poo, have sex, pray and drink (the halal of course) then say: "Allah SWT or God doesnt exist." That's real ungrateful. This is my response in an old post to a rather angry atheist: Quote: Also Im a human being and I dont have to indulge in your tactic of testing my knowledge on Islam after I have given you an answer to your rather biased questions. If I wanted to become a better debater, I would signed up for classes on debating in college. So then I would know how to debate FOR REAL and not just talk smack to push ppl's buttons and make questions to stump ppl. Please dont think that since you are an atheist your stance is so secure on the religious issues just because you say you dont believe in God. That's just being a coward and its like youre saying: I dont believe in God so I dont have any limits as far as religious goes, I can say anything I want about anyone and they cant touch me." Also since you are an atheist, why the hell would you care about God and my belief in Him anyway? As far as youre concerned, you and me are going to just live out our lives, die and become a big pile of rotting compost in the ground, w/o having to deal with the consequences of our good and bad deeds. So what would be the point in trying to make your atheism such a big deal by debating with ppl who believe in God when in your state of belief is we are all going to just live and die. That's a lonely, ungrateful excuse of an existence. You eat, drink, relieve yourself, have sex with whoever and whatever you want and then deny God's gifts upon you. So excuse me if my way of life actually reminds me that I didnt get these gifts ALL BY MYSELF, me being a human being in all. And with that said, I have no reason to talk with atheists on religion. Well said! I really liked that response. I agree with you 100%. They're so weak. They give up on life and decide that God doesn't exist just because of their own selfish reasons. It's easy to be an Atheist. People are lazy. So it works out for them.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:30 am
blackbird creative bilqisnargis If they are pretty cool with ppl having religion, then Im cool with them. But if they are angry, little ppl who act a fool, then Im not cool with them. I have not ran into too many atheists in real life but I have came across a lot here on Gaia. They usually try to act like they know it all and use their atheist views as a shield. I cannot envision waking up in the morning, alive and well, even if my day is crappy, after knowing that babies, children, adults, who were in good health just die in their sleep and then say: "Oh, I dont believe in Allah SWT or God." Or being able to eat, sleep, pee, poo, have sex, pray and drink (the halal of course) then say: "Allah SWT or God doesnt exist." That's real ungrateful. This is my response in an old post to a rather angry atheist: Quote: Also Im a human being and I dont have to indulge in your tactic of testing my knowledge on Islam after I have given you an answer to your rather biased questions. If I wanted to become a better debater, I would signed up for classes on debating in college. So then I would know how to debate FOR REAL and not just talk smack to push ppl's buttons and make questions to stump ppl. Please dont think that since you are an atheist your stance is so secure on the religious issues just because you say you dont believe in God. That's just being a coward and its like youre saying: I dont believe in God so I dont have any limits as far as religious goes, I can say anything I want about anyone and they cant touch me." Also since you are an atheist, why the hell would you care about God and my belief in Him anyway? As far as youre concerned, you and me are going to just live out our lives, die and become a big pile of rotting compost in the ground, w/o having to deal with the consequences of our good and bad deeds. So what would be the point in trying to make your atheism such a big deal by debating with ppl who believe in God when in your state of belief is we are all going to just live and die. That's a lonely, ungrateful excuse of an existence. You eat, drink, relieve yourself, have sex with whoever and whatever you want and then deny God's gifts upon you. So excuse me if my way of life actually reminds me that I didnt get these gifts ALL BY MYSELF, me being a human being in all. And with that said, I have no reason to talk with atheists on religion. Well said! I really liked that response. I agree with you 100%. They're so weak. They give up on life and decide that God doesn't exist just because of their own selfish reasons. It's easy to be an Atheist. People are lazy. So it works out for them. People are impatient. They want Allah SWT to give them good things all the time but dont want to accept Him. When they need Him, they cry out to Him. When He lifts their burden, they act as though they never knew him.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:01 pm
blackbird creative Well said! I really liked that response. I agree with you 100%. They're so weak. They give up on life and decide that God doesn't exist just because of their own selfish reasons. If their own personal experiences and gnosis tells them there is no god(s), then it simply tells them there is no god(s). I don't see anything lazy or selfish about that neutral I do think that many current atheists have tried to believe in god(s). They have tried, hoped, prayed and it's still just not there for them. Quote: It's easy to be an Atheist. When the majority of the world is theist of one stripe or another, I say no, it isn't easy to be atheist. The fact that this thread is here and people are saying things like atheists are lazy/selfish/stupid/etc... I think also points to the idea that it isn't easy being an atheist. And all of THAT compounded with the fact that the quiet, rational atheists who don't go around BAWWing because someone is of a faith have to constantly defend themselves from people who will automatically lump them in with all of the loud, obnoxious, faith-hating atheists. Quote: People are lazy. So it works out for them. Again, I have to ask, why is it "lazy" if a person's experiences and gnosis points them in the direction of there not being a/any god(s)? Of what benefit would it be to them to try to manipulate and apologize away their own personal experiences?
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:14 pm
Personally, a lot of atheists annoy me. They seem to think that because their opinion is (in their opinion) right, they therefore have the right to go about enforcing it upon others, something I find to be incredibly rude. I think that religions, as a whole (save for Buddhism which I find distasteful) are beautiful, interesting, and great to talk about. As an atheist myself, I, of course, don't believe in any of it, but the strength that the faithful show in their beliefs, and the passion and emotion prevalent in religious hymns (or nasheeds, or what have you) is more than enough to put a smile on my face. I'm normally on the side of the religionists when some snot-nosed atheist punk is trying to talk down on several billion people, and while many think I'm weak in my beliefs, I simply think I'm... polite. I don't think religion is necessary to make people contented, but it certainly adds a certain loveliness to one's day to day life, I imagine. I display myself as proof of my assertion. I am a healthy, optimistic, compassionate person who believes strongly that everyone deserves respect, compared to many people's belief that no one deserves respect until they prove that they do.
Besides, I personally think that eventually I will come across a religion that speaks deeply to me, hence my joining this guild.
Yikes. Wall of text. Insh'allah, I'll be forgiven the audacity of such a bothersome post.
It's not disrespectful for me to invoke a religion's God, is it? I'm quite sorry if anyone finds that distasteful.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:33 pm
Violet Song jat Shariff blackbird creative Well said! I really liked that response. I agree with you 100%. They're so weak. They give up on life and decide that God doesn't exist just because of their own selfish reasons. If their own personal experiences and gnosis tells them there is no god(s), then it simply tells them there is no god(s). I don't see anything lazy or selfish about that neutral I do think that many current atheists have tried to believe in god(s). They have tried, hoped, prayed and it's still just not there for them. Quote: It's easy to be an Atheist. When the majority of the world is theist of one stripe or another, I say no, it isn't easy to be atheist. The fact that this thread is here and people are saying things like atheists are lazy/selfish/stupid/etc... I think also points to the idea that it isn't easy being an atheist. And all of THAT compounded with the fact that the quiet, rational atheists who don't go around BAWWing because someone is of a faith have to constantly defend themselves from people who will automatically lump them in with all of the loud, obnoxious, faith-hating atheists. Quote: People are lazy. So it works out for them. Again, I have to ask, why is it "lazy" if a person's experiences and gnosis points them in the direction of there not being a/any god(s)? Of what benefit would it be to them to try to manipulate and apologize away their own personal experiences? I'm sorry, maybe you took it the wrong way. I wasn't trying to offend anyone. Anyone, of any religion, can be lazy, selfish, etc. It's human nature, really. Most people would rather choose something that takes less energy to do. Now, by saying being Atheist is 'easy'. I mean, just the fact that, they can live life by just eating, drinking, sleeping, using the bathroom, working and going to school (whichever one). They don't have to pray, think about God, worship, and go to the mosque every friday. Or church every sunday, etc. They live life without fear of God or death. They think simple. People are born, and people die and turn to nothing but rotting bones. Now, I'm not saying all Atheists think this way but from MY experience, that's how most of them act. Again, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to offend anyone.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:38 pm
Michelito Briggs Personally, a lot of atheists annoy me. They seem to think that because their opinion is (in their opinion) right, they therefore have the right to go about enforcing it upon others, something I find to be incredibly rude. I think that religions, as a whole (save for Buddhism which I find distasteful) are beautiful, interesting, and great to talk about. As an atheist myself, I, of course, don't believe in any of it, but the strength that the faithful show in their beliefs, and the passion and emotion prevalent in religious hymns (or nasheeds, or what have you) is more than enough to put a smile on my face. I'm normally on the side of the religionists when some snot-nosed atheist punk is trying to talk down on several billion people, and while many think I'm weak in my beliefs, I simply think I'm... polite. I don't think religion is necessary to make people contented, but it certainly adds a certain loveliness to one's day to day life, I imagine. I display myself as proof of my assertion. I am a healthy, optimistic, compassionate person who believes strongly that everyone deserves respect, compared to many people's belief that no one deserves respect until they prove that they do. Besides, I personally think that eventually I will come across a religion that speaks deeply to me, hence my joining this guild. Yikes. Wall of text. Insh'allah, I'll be forgiven the audacity of such a bothersome post. It's not disrespectful for me to invoke a religion's God, is it? I'm quite sorry if anyone finds that distasteful. You have every right to believe what you want. People should just be open minded, regardless of religion. I'm willing to learn about Atheism, and any other religion. Just as long as they don't force me to become Atheist or of that religion. That's MY choice. I hate when people force their religion on me. I already know religious people do that often, but Atheists claim they don't do that. But they do. They're just like us. We're all the same really. Anyways, I wish more Atheists would think like you do! Haha, no worries, your post isn't bothersome at all.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:53 pm
blackbird creative Michelito Briggs Personally, a lot of atheists annoy me. They seem to think that because their opinion is (in their opinion) right, they therefore have the right to go about enforcing it upon others, something I find to be incredibly rude. I think that religions, as a whole (save for Buddhism which I find distasteful) are beautiful, interesting, and great to talk about. As an atheist myself, I, of course, don't believe in any of it, but the strength that the faithful show in their beliefs, and the passion and emotion prevalent in religious hymns (or nasheeds, or what have you) is more than enough to put a smile on my face. I'm normally on the side of the religionists when some snot-nosed atheist punk is trying to talk down on several billion people, and while many think I'm weak in my beliefs, I simply think I'm... polite. I don't think religion is necessary to make people contented, but it certainly adds a certain loveliness to one's day to day life, I imagine. I display myself as proof of my assertion. I am a healthy, optimistic, compassionate person who believes strongly that everyone deserves respect, compared to many people's belief that no one deserves respect until they prove that they do. Besides, I personally think that eventually I will come across a religion that speaks deeply to me, hence my joining this guild. Yikes. Wall of text. Insh'allah, I'll be forgiven the audacity of such a bothersome post. It's not disrespectful for me to invoke a religion's God, is it? I'm quite sorry if anyone finds that distasteful. You have every right to believe what you want. People should just be open minded, regardless of religion. I'm willing to learn about Atheism, and any other religion. Just as long as they don't force me to become Atheist or of that religion. That's MY choice. I hate when people force their religion on me. I already know religious people do that often, but Atheists claim they don't do that. But they do. They're just like us. We're all the same really. Anyways, I wish more Atheists would think like you do! Haha, no worries, your post isn't bothersome at all. Personally, I think that part of what makes atheists particularly bothersome is that they group themselves under the name "atheist". They end up subscribing to this group mentality that, for someone who doesn't, rather than does, believe in something, shouldn't exist. Compared to Islamic dogma that enforces granting respect to people, atheist dogma seems to be "yell about religious people and blame all of humanity's ailments on them". Hence my dislike of being grouped in with atheists.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:53 pm
blackbird creative I'm sorry, maybe you took it the wrong way. I wasn't trying to offend anyone. Anyone, of any religion, can be lazy, selfish, etc. It's human nature, really. Most people would rather choose something that takes less energy to do. Now, by saying being Atheist is 'easy'. I mean, just the fact that, they can live life by just eating, drinking, sleeping, using the bathroom, working and going to school (whichever one). They don't have to pray, think about God, worship, and go to the mosque every friday. Or church every sunday, etc. They live life without fear of God or death. They think simple. People are born, and people die and turn to nothing but rotting bones. Now, I'm not saying all Atheists think this way but from MY experience, that's how most of them act. Again, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to offend anyone. Is okay <3 It *is* kind of a fine line to tread. On one hand, the knee-jerk reaction is to think of all the negative, extreme people one has interacted with. But on the other hand, the majority is generally not like that. I'm still struggling with that in my view of Christians and Christianity >.>
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:56 pm
Zealous theists usually annoy me much more than atheists, but it goes without saying that atheists who mock you for having beliefs is irritating at best.
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:01 pm
I dislike the general view that exists of atheists :/
Atheists can be just as afraid of death. It's also not just a life of eat, work, sleep, repeat. And it's not a mentality of yelling at religious people. In my experience atheists also give plenty in charity, do good work, volunteer, try to help people around them and generally try to make the world a better place.
It's not a matter of being lazy or arrogant, a great deal has to do with the way you were brought up. Were you taught to believe in God or not, etc.
Maybe it's because I haven't had a single really bad experience with any atheists, in a country where 40% calls itself unaffiliated. Maybe atheists react stronger to theists in countries where the religious form a majority, just to carve a niche for themselves? I don't know. It goes without saying that there should be no mocking or insulting either way.
But this view of atheists being arrogant, lazy, simple minded and easy-peasy-you-don't-have-to-do-anything-good just makes me feel sad.
I don't mean to offend anyone. I'm just genuinely surprised by the experiences people seem to have had with atheists. I'm not trying to downplay your experience or feelings at all, I'm just trying to understand where these experiences come from.
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:40 pm
Nennies I dislike the general view that exists of atheists :/ Atheists can be just as afraid of death. It's also not just a life of eat, work, sleep, repeat. And it's not a mentality of yelling at religious people. In my experience atheists also give plenty in charity, do good work, volunteer, try to help people around them and generally try to make the world a better place. It's not a matter of being lazy or arrogant, a great deal has to do with the way you were brought up. Were you taught to believe in God or not, etc. Maybe it's because I haven't had a single really bad experience with any atheists, in a country where 40% calls itself unaffiliated. Maybe atheists react stronger to theists in countries where the religious form a majority, just to carve a niche for themselves? I don't know. It goes without saying that there should be no mocking or insulting either way. But this view of atheists being arrogant, lazy, simple minded and easy-peasy-you-don't-have-to-do-anything-good just makes me feel sad. I don't mean to offend anyone. I'm just genuinely surprised by the experiences people seem to have had with atheists. I'm not trying to downplay your experience or feelings at all, I'm just trying to understand where these experiences come from. Most of my experience with atheists has been bad. And I'm an atheist. Even just masquerading as a religious person I've been called out, only to bemusedly tell my assailant that I'm an atheist, and that he ought to be ashamed of himself.
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:21 pm
Nennies I dislike the general view that exists of atheists :/ Atheists can be just as afraid of death. It's also not just a life of eat, work, sleep, repeat. And it's not a mentality of yelling at religious people. In my experience atheists also give plenty in charity, do good work, volunteer, try to help people around them and generally try to make the world a better place. It's not a matter of being lazy or arrogant, a great deal has to do with the way you were brought up. Were you taught to believe in God or not, etc. Maybe it's because I haven't had a single really bad experience with any atheists, in a country where 40% calls itself unaffiliated. Maybe atheists react stronger to theists in countries where the religious form a majority, just to carve a niche for themselves? I don't know. It goes without saying that there should be no mocking or insulting either way. But this view of atheists being " just makes me feel sad. I don't mean to offend anyone. I'm just genuinely surprised by the experiences people seem to have had with atheists. I'm not trying to downplay your experience or feelings at all, I'm just trying to understand where these experiences come from. As the saying goes, to each his own. Everyone has their opinions, and their own experiences. I'm not trying to judge ALL Atheists from the few I met. But I don't think you should either. I think there are those "arrogant, lazy, simple minded and easy-peasy-you-don't-have-to-do-anything-good" and those who "give plenty in charity, do good work, volunteer, try to help people around them and generally try to make the world a better place" in any and every religion. It goes both ways, really. Whether you believe in God or not. It's just, Atheists don't really have a reason to do those things. I don't know. I think someone should do good not only for God so they can go to heaven because that would be selfish. But that's what religion teaches. It teaches you to do good because you want to do good. Not because you have to. I have yet to meet a decent Atheist who wants to give charity. Maybe they do it because they have hidden guilt about what they believe. Who knows. Either way, Atheist or not, there will always be good or bad. Right or wrong and so on. You know what I mean?
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:03 am
bilqisnargis If they are pretty cool with ppl having religion, then Im cool with them. But if they are angry, little ppl who act a fool, then Im not cool with them. I have not ran into too many atheists in real life but I have came across a lot here on Gaia. They usually try to act like they know it all and use their atheist views as a shield. I cannot envision waking up in the morning, alive and well, even if my day is crappy, after knowing that babies, children, adults, who were in good health just die in their sleep and then say: "Oh, I dont believe in Allah SWT or God." Or being able to eat, sleep, pee, poo, have sex, pray and drink (the halal of course) then say: "Allah SWT or God doesnt exist." That's real ungrateful. This is my response in an old post to a rather angry atheist: Quote: Also Im a human being and I dont have to indulge in your tactic of testing my knowledge on Islam after I have given you an answer to your rather biased questions. If I wanted to become a better debater, I would signed up for classes on debating in college. So then I would know how to debate FOR REAL and not just talk smack to push ppl's buttons and make questions to stump ppl. Please dont think that since you are an atheist your stance is so secure on the religious issues just because you say you dont believe in God. That's just being a coward and its like youre saying: I dont believe in God so I dont have any limits as far as religious goes, I can say anything I want about anyone and they cant touch me." Also since you are an atheist, why the hell would you care about God and my belief in Him anyway? As far as youre concerned, you and me are going to just live out our lives, die and become a big pile of rotting compost in the ground, w/o having to deal with the consequences of our good and bad deeds. So what would be the point in trying to make your atheism such a big deal by debating with ppl who believe in God when in your state of belief is we are all going to just live and die. That's a lonely, ungrateful excuse of an existence. You eat, drink, relieve yourself, have sex with whoever and whatever you want and then deny God's gifts upon you. So excuse me if my way of life actually reminds me that I didnt get these gifts ALL BY MYSELF, me being a human being in all. And with that said, I have no reason to talk with atheists on religion. Reminds me of homosexuals I meet in life/online...most want to constantly push it on me like I'm supposed to support it. If it's really important to you, don't you want to just live your life and enjoy it? Why must you push it on others...I don't agree with it, for reasons I have stated, but do not judge anyone on this. However it seems that now it must be pushed/accepted... Atheism, to me, seems like it would be a lonely life..but that is because I'm looking at it from the view of my own life and what I've experienced. No offense to anyone, as I've had a few bad experiences with it myself.
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