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 Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:45 pm
Vajapocalypse sikh-91 Vajapocalypse sikh-91 Vajapocalypse sikh-91 No, but they would expect you to look smart and representable. Having uniform in school means the school has an advantage in disaplinary over the students. Not necessarily. Anyone can make a uniform or professional wear look trashy. It's just teaching them to only expand their ideas of professionalism to one type of professional wear. I for one don't think that polo shirt and khakis is very professional at all. It's not trashy but it's certainly nothing to brag about on the professionalism front. But the children will only admire the adult's fashion sense in the working place, so they will get their ideas from them. Uniform won't effect it. Uniform is there for 'disapline' and 'equality' in the school. Wearing uniform in school won't effect anything at all. They spend around 6 hours in school time, and how many out of school? *18 hours ^^,* They also have weekends. People usually get their ideas from role models and peers, magazines, media, so it won't effect them at all whee Uniforms don't create equality. Just because you and I wear the same shirt doesn't make us equal (sake of debate not saying you are below me or vice versa). It doesn't even grant us equal opportunity. Why should I be disciplined for something I haven't done yet? I shouldn't. So why should I have to spend money on an out fit I don't like when the outfit I do like is just as school appropriate? Now we're back to the idea that it's a waste of money. Yeah, it tends to go around in circles. But children get taught disaplined from parents, and adults, so what difference would it mean for teachers and schools to do this? I've turned out fine wearing uniform for 11 years. *I don't need to wear uniform anymore, but I do need to follow a dress code which I sneakily avoid ninja * They get taught discipline when doing something to deserve it. It's different because it's premeditated. For example you aren't going to get grounded for a week because you might say a swear word you get grounded for a week because you did say a swear word. I've turned out fine NOT wearing a uniform throughout my 12 years of public education. Well disciplinary teaches people NOT to swear in the first place. Having rules is part of the disapline. If they got grounded, then that would be punishment.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:10 pm
sikh-91 Vajapocalypse sikh-91 Vajapocalypse sikh-91 But the children will only admire the adult's fashion sense in the working place, so they will get their ideas from them. Uniform won't effect it. Uniform is there for 'disapline' and 'equality' in the school. Wearing uniform in school won't effect anything at all. They spend around 6 hours in school time, and how many out of school? *18 hours ^^,* They also have weekends. People usually get their ideas from role models and peers, magazines, media, so it won't effect them at all whee Uniforms don't create equality. Just because you and I wear the same shirt doesn't make us equal (sake of debate not saying you are below me or vice versa). It doesn't even grant us equal opportunity. Why should I be disciplined for something I haven't done yet? I shouldn't. So why should I have to spend money on an out fit I don't like when the outfit I do like is just as school appropriate? Now we're back to the idea that it's a waste of money. Yeah, it tends to go around in circles. But children get taught disaplined from parents, and adults, so what difference would it mean for teachers and schools to do this? I've turned out fine wearing uniform for 11 years. *I don't need to wear uniform anymore, but I do need to follow a dress code which I sneakily avoid ninja * They get taught discipline when doing something to deserve it. It's different because it's premeditated. For example you aren't going to get grounded for a week because you might say a swear word you get grounded for a week because you did say a swear word. I've turned out fine NOT wearing a uniform throughout my 12 years of public education. Well disciplinary teaches people NOT to swear in the first place. Having rules is part of the disapline. If they got grounded, then that would be punishment. Punishment is discipline. They're synonymous terms.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:34 pm
So.....
Basically, the uniforms tell of the curse words, then instantly punish for them?
Discipline is consequence. They do something bad, it bites them in the a**. If they do good, it pats them on the head. Can't have discipline without an action. That's spoiling, or torture.
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Hm..... Uniforms as torture.......
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:14 pm
Divine_Malevolence So..... Basically, the uniforms tell of the curse words, then instantly punish for them? Discipline is consequence. They do something bad, it bites them in the a**. If they do good, it pats them on the head. Can't have discipline without an action. That's spoiling, or torture. ..... Hm..... Uniforms as torture....... They are torture and look tacky.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:27 pm
Vajapocalypse Divine_Malevolence So..... Basically, the uniforms tell of the curse words, then instantly punish for them? Discipline is consequence. They do something bad, it bites them in the a**. If they do good, it pats them on the head. Can't have discipline without an action. That's spoiling, or torture. ..... Hm..... Uniforms as torture....... They are torture and look tacky. And have a high percent chance to not be red. emo
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:46 pm
Vajapocalypse Your employer isn't going to give you a uniform at work. ... I wear a uniform at work. Also, punishment and discipline aren't synonymous. A martial artist is disciplined not punished. Some of their meanings overlap, but they're not synonymous.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:46 pm
Valheita Vajapocalypse Your employer isn't going to give you a uniform at work. ... I wear a uniform at work. Also, punishment and discipline aren't synonymous. A martial artist is disciplined not punished. Some of their meanings overlap, but they're not synonymous. Look it up. They are depending on the context.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:50 pm
Vajapocalypse Valheita Vajapocalypse Your employer isn't going to give you a uniform at work. ... I wear a uniform at work. Also, punishment and discipline aren't synonymous. A martial artist is disciplined not punished. Some of their meanings overlap, but they're not synonymous. Look it up. They are depending on the context. If you treat synonymity as contextual. *shrugs* I always thought of synonyms as words you can interchange, but if you say "That's one punished martial artist", you're going to confuse people.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:57 pm
Valheita Vajapocalypse Valheita Vajapocalypse Your employer isn't going to give you a uniform at work. ... I wear a uniform at work. Also, punishment and discipline aren't synonymous. A martial artist is disciplined not punished. Some of their meanings overlap, but they're not synonymous. Look it up. They are depending on the context. If you treat synonymity as contextual. *shrugs* I always thought of synonyms as words you can interchange, but if you say "That's one punished martial artist", you're going to confuse people. Got to love English, where words often have varied meanings. Merriam-Webster and no I have never traveled back in time and held a gun to Webster's head to ensure that I am right.
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Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:47 pm
I know. Synonymity has implied contextuality.
That's why programming languages were invented, because real ones fail D:
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:36 am
CH0Z0 Vajapocalypse Divine_Malevolence So..... Basically, the uniforms tell of the curse words, then instantly punish for them? Discipline is consequence. They do something bad, it bites them in the a**. If they do good, it pats them on the head. Can't have discipline without an action. That's spoiling, or torture. ..... Hm..... Uniforms as torture....... They are torture and look tacky. And have a high percent chance to not be red. emo Really? There's a school nearby that wears red, and my old primary school *elementry* I wore red for 7 years. A lot of school colours are usually red x)
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:02 am
sikh-91 CH0Z0 Vajapocalypse Divine_Malevolence So..... Basically, the uniforms tell of the curse words, then instantly punish for them? Discipline is consequence. They do something bad, it bites them in the a**. If they do good, it pats them on the head. Can't have discipline without an action. That's spoiling, or torture. ..... Hm..... Uniforms as torture....... They are torture and look tacky. And have a high percent chance to not be red. emo Really? There's a school nearby that wears red, and my old primary school *elementry* I wore red for 7 years. A lot of school colours are usually red x) You'd have to move to a school that has red as a school color and I am not switching schools based on what they force me to wear.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:16 am
School uniforms be my fetish so I wouldn't mind wearing them. But they only look nice, not the desired affect.
Desired affect was not given. My homicidal urges are proof of that. stressed
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:32 am
i think school uniforms are a good thing.
in high school and especially in middle school, kids are judged heavily on what they wear. a lot of kids don't have the monetary means to be up to date with whatever's in style and this can be stressful for them. someone who would otherwise be popular could very well end up being shy, nervous, made fun of, etc...
@ iwa: whaaat...? o__o;
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:36 am
so retarded i think school uniforms are a good thing. in high school and especially in middle school, kids are judged heavily on what they wear. a lot of kids don't have the monetary means to be up to date with whatever's in style and this can be stressful for them. someone who would otherwise be popular could very well end up being shy, nervous, made fun of, etc... @ iwa: whaaat...? o__o; There are uniform trends. Kids who have uniforms are still known for altering them and that in itself creates a "style". The majority of style stress is on girls who in the uniform world still have choices that could lead to being made fun of. For example I'd wear slacks not skirts. If skirts are popular I'd still be an outcast for not fitting the "norm"
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