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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:43 pm
Apacelull Mei tsuki7 Nebulance Jewpanesey Not to mention the fact that if you can disprove the existence of god(s) with science (which he has), then it is no longer a philosophical debate but a statement of observable fact. You cannot disprove something which is outside the realm of science, with science. God would exist as part of a separate, spiritual reality. God is a higher dimensional creature and therefore our three dimensional science does not apply to him. @OP I have not heard of him. Could you link some good speeches? Prove it. The onus is on you to prove to us that God is a higher dimensional creature. You can't just say that. Since we are three dimensional beings it is nigh impossible to prove anything in the higher dimensions except theoretically through math. Just give me a couple years to learn quantum theory and then I'll explain it though you probably won't be able to understand it. But I can say this. Science "invents" things just as religion does. Just look at dark matter and dark energy.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:27 pm
I think he's a great writer, and spokesman for atheists.However, I think he could be a little nicer to those who still want to believe in a god.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:27 pm
He's pretty cool I suppose. But I don't see how he has anything to do with atheism. It would be like bringing up Ted Haggard or Ray Comfort. Sure they have some relevance but is it worth bringing up?
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:43 pm
Nebulance Jewpanesey Not to mention the fact that if you can disprove the existence of god(s) with science (which he has), then it is no longer a philosophical debate but a statement of observable fact. You cannot disprove something which is outside the realm of science, with science. God would exist as part of a separate, spiritual reality. But wait! God is supposed to be active in this world, isn't he? How are people born atheist (I'm talking about implicit atheism here) and then die atheist, not even thinking for a moment that there is a God? So truly, he wouldn't be apart from it, unless your belief is that he made the universe and sat back to watch?
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:16 am
Accido_Beauty I think he's a great writer, and spokesman for atheists.However, I think he could be a little nicer to those who still want to believe in a god. I'm signing under this biggrin and I think calling him "Darwin's rottweiler" is making unecessary fuss over poor Charlie.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:08 pm
heart This man has my total and complete respect. I highly recommend reading his material to believers and non-believers alike. He brings a lot to the table that most people tend to overlook. heart
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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:24 pm
While Dawkins does bring a lot to the table, his Evolutionist approach to belief structures (older religions evolved into newer ones, then to science; all as explanations about the world around us) is a tad outdated, not to mention kinda ethnocentric.
He's a fundamentalist, just like any other, and thus has that detestable practice of not allowing any other perspective but his. At times, when debating a sufficiently educated Christian he will slip to logical fallacy, just like any human being does on occasion when defending the beliefs that are at the core of their identity. Carefully watch a few debates on youtube where the Christian minister argues from a more philosophical perspective rather than bible verses, and you might catch such a slip. He is clever at using his rational "atheist" mindset as a cover for these slips, however. I'm not calling the man evil for such a thing - its human nature to use the world view as a means to limit perspective to support that world view.
At times I get annoyed at how he narrows the debate to Atheism vs Christianity, more often than not. Sometimes, he branches out to include Islam and Judaism on the Christian side. However, I do understand that he can only study so many different faiths to pick them apart as he does - he's only one person, and he does address the big religions in our culture.
I can understand and relate to his frustration about what the more visible religions (or most visible sects thereof) perpetuate. I would personally enjoy his work much more if he embraced atheism as a form of religion and proselytized that way, then tried to understand religions before cutting them down.
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:40 pm
I think I'm the only atheist who has never read a book by him or any of his speeches. Basically the only reason I've even heard of him is because my mom accused me of worshiping him(I guess she thinks atheists worship Dawkins?)
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:22 am
Mei tsuki7 But I can say this. Science "invents" things just as religion does. Just look at dark matter and dark energy. Dark matter and dark energy aren't just some made-up things. They are expressions used for a currently unknown cause for certian observable fenomena. For example, galaxies act as though there were a lot more matter (and thus mass) present, and that "missing" mass is called dark matter. Because they don't see anything there. And they still don't know what it is. It's a simmilar case with dark energy. You were making it sound like they just made this stuff up. They didn't. On the other hand, religions do make stuff up, or at least claim stuff without objective evidence.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:33 pm
Misses Brinks He's pretty cool I suppose. But I don't see how he has anything to do with atheism. It would be like bringing up Ted Haggard or Ray Comfort. Sure they have some relevance but is it worth bringing up? What do you mean? He's more well known for his religious beliefs than he is for his science.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:57 pm
tearingXheavenXdown Nebulance Jewpanesey Not to mention the fact that if you can disprove the existence of god(s) with science (which he has), then it is no longer a philosophical debate but a statement of observable fact. You cannot disprove something which is outside the realm of science, with science. God would exist as part of a separate, spiritual reality. But wait! God is supposed to be active in this world, isn't he? How are people born atheist (I'm talking about implicit atheism here) and then die atheist, not even thinking for a moment that there is a God? So truly, he wouldn't be apart from it, unless your belief is that he made the universe and sat back to watch? Depends on the god. The Christian god is implausible, but what if God saw no reason to interact with every person, save people, fun stuff like that? It's impossible to prove or disprove god(s). I've never heard a convincing argument proving that there is or isn't a god.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:14 pm
Revolutionary Justice I think I'm the only atheist who has never read a book by him or any of his speeches. Basically the only reason I've even heard of him is because my mom accused me of worshiping him(I guess she thinks atheists worship Dawkins?) You're not alone, I haven't read a work by him although his books are at my reach, and I do plan on looking into them the whole way through. Although I find Christopher Hitchen's journalism to be superior, although he too is a bit of a meanie.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:16 pm
Artto Mei tsuki7 But I can say this. Science "invents" things just as religion does. Just look at dark matter and dark energy. Dark matter and dark energy aren't just some made-up things. They are expressions used for a currently unknown cause for certian observable fenomena. For example, galaxies act as though there were a lot more matter (and thus mass) present, and that "missing" mass is called dark matter. Because they don't see anything there. And they still don't know what it is. It's a simmilar case with dark energy. You were making it sound like they just made this stuff up. They didn't. On the other hand, religions do make stuff up, or at least claim stuff without objective evidence. What you said kinda reminds me of the Periodic Table. They were able to guess undiscovered elements based on the pattern.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:39 pm
SuchSweetSadism Revolutionary Justice I think I'm the only atheist who has never read a book by him or any of his speeches. Basically the only reason I've even heard of him is because my mom accused me of worshiping him(I guess she thinks atheists worship Dawkins?) You're not alone, I haven't read a work by him although his books are at my reach, and I do plan on looking into them the whole way through. Although I find Christopher Hitchen's journalism to be superior, although he too is a bit of a meanie. Hitchens is obviously a very bright man but he's also a complete jerk. He revels in pissing people off. I've not read any of Dawkins stuff on religion either, mostly because I can't imagine he can have much to say on the subject. I have, however, read most of The Selfish Gene and highly recommend it. Interesting stuff.
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:21 am
Mei tsuki7 Apacelull Mei tsuki7 Nebulance Jewpanesey Not to mention the fact that if you can disprove the existence of god(s) with science (which he has), then it is no longer a philosophical debate but a statement of observable fact. You cannot disprove something which is outside the realm of science, with science. God would exist as part of a separate, spiritual reality. God is a higher dimensional creature and therefore our three dimensional science does not apply to him. @OP I have not heard of him. Could you link some good speeches? Prove it. The onus is on you to prove to us that God is a higher dimensional creature. You can't just say that. Since we are three dimensional beings it is nigh impossible to prove anything in the higher dimensions except theoretically through math. Just give me a couple years to learn quantum theory and then I'll explain it though you probably won't be able to understand it. But I can say this. Science "invents" things just as religion does. Just look at dark matter and dark energy. technically, we're fourth dimensional as we exist in another direction- time. Quantum theory seems like a load to me- a lot of it assumes that the math IS the reality, when really it's an abstract measure of probability. Essentially, it states that a photon can be in multiple places a la probability. True enough. It forgets, however, that probability is an abstraction and assumes that it is a tangible thing, and that their equations equal out to reality. Roughly speaking, they're saying that since a coin can be either heads or tails, if we don't know, it must be both head AND tails until we find out.
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