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 Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 4:58 am
rmcdra True one can subjectively justify anything, but can one objectively justify anything? I would say no. The Law written in stone exist for those that cannot objectively justify, hence they have not come to have the the Law written in one's own heart. Well, yeah, but I meant more in the sense that they wouldn't actually shoot someone or beat the crap outta someone or something if, subjectively, they analysed the action and decided it wasn't god telling them to do it after all. If they could justify it somehow, as an act of love, then they might do it anyway. I love contrasting theory with practical reality xd
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:19 am
Back to the original topic.... I have personally seen this exact scenario go very well and very poorly. I am married, and my husband and I *almost* agree on religion... I'm just a little bit more toward Atheist than he is. He's more willing to believe that there is some higher power out there, but doesn't belong to a specific religion. Unitarianism works well for both of us, though.
I have friends that are a couple... One very Atheist and one very Christian. Astoundingly, it works between them. They don't talk about it, and it's agreed that he (the Atheist) will attend church with her for family holidays and allow her to raise any future children in the Christian faith. Somehow, that works for them.
On the other hand, my brother got a divorce from a girl that he'd been dating for 6 years before they got married (which didn't last for even a year; I think sometimes getting married clarifies things a bit), and it basically boiled down to that he is a staunch Atheist and his wife had really gotten back into the Christian thing hard core (which she wasn't so gung-ho about for much of their relationship).
Now he's serious about an Atheist girl... and I think he's happier than he ever was with his ex, though that may not be a fair judgment.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:29 am
I would and I have dated outside of my current religion and it did'nt bother me as long as I did'nt have to go against what I believe. That was at a much younger age. Now I would be more careful as to the extreme I would go. As a adult I would stay within my own boundries because my gold is a lifemate. As a child I belived it was ok to dateanyone regardless to their belief as a result I learned about the strife once the honeymoon period was over, but as adult I have a whole new perpective of things.
I dated a muslin as a teen and found out my freedom as a female was restricted, there was no equality in thoughts, his always outweighed mine, he was right even if he was wrong, he tried to change my dress code, the food I ate and my freedom of coming and going etc... It got to be too much so that ended. It hurt because as I was learning I allowed my emotions to get too deeply involved. It was definetly a wakeup call.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:09 am
I suppose that it doesn't matter if you love the person but it could certainly cause some problems. Different religions have different values. They have different holidays, celebrations, workings, a different scripture. It is difficult to have harmony between two parties with two opposing beliefs. If your beliefs coincide, then I see no harm but otherwise, it could be trouble.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:19 am
Nebulance Semiremis Nebulance Semiremis Nebulance Semiremis If I ever find the right man for me I'm not going to lose him over a difference of religious beliefs. Which shows you don't place a very high importance on your religious beliefs. Otherwise, a man who believed differently wouldn't be the right man for you. EDIT: *relatively high importance-- religious beliefs are lifestyle-setting paradigms for some, paradigms that any 'soul-mate' would have to share. Not necessarily. I could also show that I place a very high importance on my religious beliefs and have faith in God that he is leading me down the right path. When you know someone is right for you and your conscience and entire being are leading you in that direction than it's not something I would give up just because we don't see eye to eye on some things. How can you know someone is right for you (with your mind, conscience, and entire being) when you can't even connect with them spiritually (despite placing a high importance on that part of your identity)? How can you know anything in life? You said it first. smile My point is just this: 'Christian' means 'little Christ'. Devout Christians have dedicated their life to becoming more like Christ-- that is their identity and Jesus' message is the paradigm by which they live their life. How then, can such a Christian connect deeply with someone who rejects that paradigm? In this case, I'd say it really depends on what it means to you to have a strong sense of faith. Personally, hearing someone say they can't be with someone who rejects Jesus' message is like hearing them say they are threatened by another person's absence of belief. Like, if someone doesn't accept their belief, they take it as a personal criticism. Having faith in something -- to me -- means that the something you have faith in is something that gives you personal strength and sense of well-being, regardless of what anyone else thinks about it; it's how you know you're comfortable with your faith. I can definitely understand the appeal of feeling like you're on the same page with someone spiritually, but I don't think that demands being on the same page religiously.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:04 am
Would you date/marry outside your church/synagogue/mosque/whatever?
Why yes I would just because they have a religion does not mean you can not date/marry/whatever with them it just means try to keep the topic of religion to a no no on conversations[least tell you know they will not freak out if you talk about it].
If so, is there a line you won't cross when it comes to getting involved outside your whatever?
I will not calibrate the things there religions do or go to there church/synagogue/mosc/what ever it is they go too
And a bonus question:
Have you dated outside your religious path, and how well/poorly did it go
Yes I have all 3 girls I have dated and it did not go well but thats for other reason's why it did not go well not religion
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:50 am
I personally would be willing to date outside my beliefs (I have done so before on a few occasions) as long as they are not from an evangelical belief system, but only if they were worth it. My current boyfriend is very much an atheist, and since I share his viewpoints about the universe and all that jazz, it is very appealing to me that he is so passionate about it.
On the other side of the coin, I highly doubt anyone who is not at least agnostic would be willing to date me, simply because I am so openly liberal and so openly do not believe in a god that anyone who is theistic would run screaming from me.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:53 am
Nebulance Semiremis Nebulance Semiremis Nebulance Semiremis If I ever find the right man for me I'm not going to lose him over a difference of religious beliefs. Which shows you don't place a very high importance on your religious beliefs. Otherwise, a man who believed differently wouldn't be the right man for you. EDIT: *relatively high importance-- religious beliefs are lifestyle-setting paradigms for some, paradigms that any 'soul-mate' would have to share. Not necessarily. I could also show that I place a very high importance on my religious beliefs and have faith in God that he is leading me down the right path. When you know someone is right for you and your conscience and entire being are leading you in that direction than it's not something I would give up just because we don't see eye to eye on some things. How can you know someone is right for you (with your mind, conscience, and entire being) when you can't even connect with them spiritually (despite placing a high importance on that part of your identity)? How can you know anything in life? You said it first. smile My point is just this: 'Christian' means 'little Christ'. Devout Christians have dedicated their life to becoming more like Christ-- that is their identity and Jesus' message is the paradigm by which they live their life. How then, can such a Christian connect deeply with someone who rejects that paradigm? I don't see the problem.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:59 am
Sanguina Cruenta rmcdra True one can subjectively justify anything, but can one objectively justify anything? I would say no. The Law written in stone exist for those that cannot objectively justify, hence they have not come to have the the Law written in one's own heart. Well, yeah, but I meant more in the sense that they wouldn't actually shoot someone or beat the crap outta someone or something if, subjectively, they analysed the action and decided it wasn't god telling them to do it after all. If they could justify it somehow, as an act of love, then they might do it anyway. I love contrasting theory with practical reality xd That is fun to do. Unfortunately I can think of examples of people doing such actions you describe hence my serious response to your example. (I really do take things too seriously. I really need to learn to chill sometimes. Thanks for point that out to me ^^)
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:11 pm
I wouldn't because I want to be uplifted in my religion and be stronger, instead of being pulled down. But that's my opinion.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:59 pm
I don't believe I ever have dated someone outside my "religion." Never on purpose, I've just only dated guys who were either Atheist or didn't have any real beliefs. Though when I dumped my ex, I think it made him convert to Christianity. O.o
Though ever since I've been studying Buddhism my boyfriend has been pretty supportive of it. He's always been great about my beliefs, such as my being a vegetarian.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:42 pm
TikiRocket This is something I used to think about a lot. I dated a Mormon once, fell completely in love with him -- it was the only time I dated someone I seriously considered a lifetime commitment to -- but we broke up because he was very serious about his beliefs and wanted a temple marriage. You can get a temple marriage to someone who isn't of the faith. I was kind of a mess after the breakup, and for a long time was very sure I wouldn't date outside the Wiccan/pagan circles (I was pretty involved with that community for a while). Since then I've lightened up, but I still automatically balk at the idea of dating anyone of the Christian faith. So: Would you date/marry outside your church/synagogue/mosque/whatever?Yep. Quote: If so, is there a line you won't cross when it comes to getting involved outside your whatever? I would never date or marry someone who at all times is actively trying to convert me to his faith, even after being told I am not interested. Quote: And a bonus question: Have you dated outside your religious path, and how well/poorly did it go?I'm going to be marrying outside of my faith 3nodding . It works out pretty well since he's indifferent towards religion. It only bugs me occasionally because I wish I had someone to do blots with and to enjoy the gods with.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:25 pm
That is actually a good question... I am a Deist currently dating a raised jehovah's witness. It works out just fine, but our debates about religion are interesting never the less.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:36 pm
Would you date/marry outside your church/synagogue/mosque/whatever?
Yeah.
If so, is there a line you won't cross when it comes to getting involved outside your whatever?
Well I wouldn't date someone who believes that my religion is garbage. I mean that's bound to go wrong. And it depends on how extreme the person I date is. If he tries to force me to his way of thinking, I'd dump him.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:45 pm
Kosai Avonej That is actually a good question... I am a Deist currently dating a raised jehovah's witness. It works out just fine, but our debates about religion are interesting never the less. huh, I always thought Jehova's Witnesses were among the religious groups that are fairly strict and normally stick to their own or expect a conversion out of their partner somewhere down the line. I'm glad it's working out for you though.
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