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 Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:07 pm
rmcdra Sanguina Cruenta ColetteCatastrophe Saying it like that makes it sound like Pagans do worship the devil. How i see it the God and the Goddess are two sides of the same deity and the Gods are just different faces of the masculine side of the deity and the Goddesses are different faces of the feminine side of the deity that Christians call God. So I guess from that perspective we all worship the same God [unless you're Atheist I guess]. Does any of that make sense? Eh... I'm not sure how that works at all. In what way can Aphrodite be an aspect of Yahweh? What understanding of Yahweh has led you to the belief that other deities are aspects of him (rather than, for example, him being an aspect of a larger over-arching deity)? I think someone should send her an invite to the FPRC. Free People's Republic of China? WTH?
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:46 pm
Nebulance rmcdra Sanguina Cruenta ColetteCatastrophe Saying it like that makes it sound like Pagans do worship the devil. How i see it the God and the Goddess are two sides of the same deity and the Gods are just different faces of the masculine side of the deity and the Goddesses are different faces of the feminine side of the deity that Christians call God. So I guess from that perspective we all worship the same God [unless you're Atheist I guess]. Does any of that make sense? Eh... I'm not sure how that works at all. In what way can Aphrodite be an aspect of Yahweh? What understanding of Yahweh has led you to the belief that other deities are aspects of him (rather than, for example, him being an aspect of a larger over-arching deity)? I think someone should send her an invite to the FPRC. Free People's Republic of China? WTH? Fluffy Pagan Rehabilitation Center. It's a guild on Gaia started and run by many pagan M&R regs. Very well moderated.
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:07 pm
rmcdra Nebulance rmcdra Sanguina Cruenta ColetteCatastrophe Saying it like that makes it sound like Pagans do worship the devil. How i see it the God and the Goddess are two sides of the same deity and the Gods are just different faces of the masculine side of the deity and the Goddesses are different faces of the feminine side of the deity that Christians call God. So I guess from that perspective we all worship the same God [unless you're Atheist I guess]. Does any of that make sense? Eh... I'm not sure how that works at all. In what way can Aphrodite be an aspect of Yahweh? What understanding of Yahweh has led you to the belief that other deities are aspects of him (rather than, for example, him being an aspect of a larger over-arching deity)? I think someone should send her an invite to the FPRC. Free People's Republic of China? WTH? Fluffy Pagan Rehabilitation Center. It's a guild on Gaia started and run by many pagan M&R regs. Very well moderated. Ok, and you're talking about Catastrophe...
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:02 pm
Nebulance rmcdra Nebulance rmcdra Sanguina Cruenta ColetteCatastrophe Saying it like that makes it sound like Pagans do worship the devil. How i see it the God and the Goddess are two sides of the same deity and the Gods are just different faces of the masculine side of the deity and the Goddesses are different faces of the feminine side of the deity that Christians call God. So I guess from that perspective we all worship the same God [unless you're Atheist I guess]. Does any of that make sense? Eh... I'm not sure how that works at all. In what way can Aphrodite be an aspect of Yahweh? What understanding of Yahweh has led you to the belief that other deities are aspects of him (rather than, for example, him being an aspect of a larger over-arching deity)? I think someone should send her an invite to the FPRC. Free People's Republic of China? WTH? Fluffy Pagan Rehabilitation Center. It's a guild on Gaia started and run by many pagan M&R regs. Very well moderated. Ok, and you're talking about Catastrophe... I'll do anything if I can see what I'm doing wrong as long as you think it'll help all I want is to learn all that i can so I think I'll stop posting for now....
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:32 pm
ColetteCatastrophe Saying it like that makes it sound like Pagans do worship the devil. How i see it the God and the Goddess are two sides of the same deity and the Gods are just different faces of the masculine side of the deity and the Goddesses are different faces of the feminine side of the deity that Christians call God. So I guess from that perspective we all worship the same God [unless you're Atheist I guess]. Does any of that make sense? Sounds like soft polytheism. Which, works for some people, but IMO it ignores a good bit of the lore surrounding most of the gods. In order for your view to work out, you have to ignore the fact that your gods have raped themselves, murdered themselves, lied to themselves (and their respective followers), made specific rules against themselves, given birth to themselves, etc...How do you go about reconciling all of that?
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:47 pm
Violet Song jat Shariff ColetteCatastrophe Saying it like that makes it sound like Pagans do worship the devil. How i see it the God and the Goddess are two sides of the same deity and the Gods are just different faces of the masculine side of the deity and the Goddesses are different faces of the feminine side of the deity that Christians call God. So I guess from that perspective we all worship the same God [unless you're Atheist I guess]. Does any of that make sense? Sounds like soft polytheism. Which, works for some people, but IMO it ignores a good bit of the lore surrounding most of the gods. In order for your view to work out, you have to ignore the fact that your gods have raped themselves, murdered themselves, lied to themselves (and their respective followers), made specific rules against themselves, given birth to themselves, etc...How do you go about reconciling all of that? I think a nice way to organize the religions of the world would be along a spectrum of theism, from extreme monotheism to extreme polytheism. It might look something like this (I'll only include a few religions for illustrative purposes): EXTREME MONOTHEISM Judaism-- One God. Christianity-- One God with three parts, united in will. Hinduism-- Many incarnations of one God, divided in will. Greek Pantheon-- Many Gods. EXTREME POLYTHEISM Of course, I'm making generalizations, but do you think that's mostly accurate? Wicca would seem to be somewhere between Christianity and Hinduism, but I'll leave that to someone more knowledgabe on it.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 10:59 pm
I'm not entirely sure how that relates to what I said.
If a person is soft polytheist, I don't think that scale would matter as all gods are one God (yes, even YHVH) and all goddesses are one Goddess.
Wicca itself would be closer to the polytheism end, although an individual Wiccan may vary in where they are exactly as some Wiccans worship other gods besides the Lord and Lady of the Isles.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:17 pm
OK i know very little about Paganism though i know i am one. And Ive met these kind of people who instantaneously hate me because of my religion but i explain it to them and then they feel stupid but it really pisses me off that people instantly think Pagan=Satan Worship. Ive met people who still don't change there minds to it and i personally laugh at them but in all honesty Why is it when someone says there Pagan do people affiliate it with Satan? And apparently in the bible it says we think were fallen angels so my devoted Christan friend says. Does anyone actually think there some angel? By the way what are some basics to rituals? Other than a circle i dont know anything else i need.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:52 am
Zslone2 By the way what are some basics to rituals? Other than a circle i dont know anything else i need. I think you need to slow down wink There are many different types of rituals. You don't need a circle. Certain religions use them, but many don't. What you do personally will depend on your own practise and what you prefer. To determine what sort of ritual you want, first determine what you want to honour or celebrate. There are particular ritual forms associated with particular pantheons and even specific deities. Study, study, study! wink But when all else fails, most deities seem fairly happy with an offering poured or left on the ground for them. Find out what they like ^_^
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:36 pm
What if its not for honoring a deity? Like for one of the Holidays same principles?
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:20 pm
Nebulance Violet Song jat Shariff ColetteCatastrophe Saying it like that makes it sound like Pagans do worship the devil. How i see it the God and the Goddess are two sides of the same deity and the Gods are just different faces of the masculine side of the deity and the Goddesses are different faces of the feminine side of the deity that Christians call God. So I guess from that perspective we all worship the same God [unless you're Atheist I guess]. Does any of that make sense? Sounds like soft polytheism. Which, works for some people, but IMO it ignores a good bit of the lore surrounding most of the gods. In order for your view to work out, you have to ignore the fact that your gods have raped themselves, murdered themselves, lied to themselves (and their respective followers), made specific rules against themselves, given birth to themselves, etc...How do you go about reconciling all of that? I think a nice way to organize the religions of the world would be along a spectrum of theism, from extreme monotheism to extreme polytheism. It might look something like this (I'll only include a few religions for illustrative purposes): EXTREME MONOTHEISM Judaism-- One God. Christianity-- One God with three parts, united in will. Hinduism-- Many incarnations of one God, divided in will. Greek Pantheon-- Many Gods. EXTREME POLYTHEISM Of course, I'm making generalizations, but do you think that's mostly accurate? Wicca would seem to be somewhere between Christianity and Hinduism, but I'll leave that to someone more knowledgabe on it. What about monolateralists? -sniff- Silly beliefs that nobody knows the name for, always leavin' me outta the Cool Kids' Table...
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:41 pm
Zslone2 What if its not for honoring a deity? Like for one of the Holidays same principles? Then it would depend on what holiday.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:51 pm
Zslone2 What if its not for honoring a deity? Like for one of the Holidays same principles? Depending on the Religion, many of the Holidays are centered around honoring particular deities, so it would still apply.
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:43 pm
And this is y i ask. I honestly didnt know that so thanks and now i feel stupid for celebrating what holidays i did when i didnt envoke any deity.
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:00 pm
Zslone2 And this is y i ask. I honestly didnt know that so thanks and now i feel stupid for celebrating what holidays i did when i didnt envoke any deity. Oh, gods, no, don't feel stupid. You're not required to call on or worship any deity during a holiday celebration. You can just celebrate the time of year. What we mean is that if you do worship a god or gods, you'd draw inspiration from their ritual form for any ritual, even if they're not involved, because that's your tradition. But you don't have to. You can make it up, if you like. Do whatever you like.
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