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 Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:22 am
Atheism in on itself means lack of religion. I think it was in Latin.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:01 pm
Atheism is a belief, not a religion. Just like how theism is a belief and not a religion. There are Atheistic religions--religions that incorporate said belief into their texts. There are also theistic religions. But no religion is defined by one belief alone.
Atheism literally means "Not theism". Anyone who isn't a theist is an Atheist. The more interesting debate that's sort of in the same vain is whether or not Agnostics are Atheists. But that's a debate for another thread I guess.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:08 am
FreeArsenal The reason I call atheism a religion... because it's a stance and it's still a belief. So are Marxism, vegetarianism, and thinking Susan Boyle should've won the X Factor. Religion - a set of beliefs and practices claimed to lead primarily to spiritual fulfillment Atheism - lack of belief in the existence of transcendent creator personalities Thus, atheism is not a religion.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:18 am
Lucky~9~Lives FreeArsenal The reason I call atheism a religion... because it's a stance and it's still a belief. So are Marxism, vegetarianism, and thinking Susan Boyle should've won the X Factor. Religion - a set of beliefs and practices claimed to lead primarily to spiritual fulfillment Atheism - lack of belief in the existence of transcendent creator personalities Thus, atheism is not a religion. I think they meant belief about God. I don't see the problem with calling it a religion, I'm sorry if that offends you. In my previous post I explained it. It's a religion just like zero's a number even though it's a lack of something. That's how I see it, anyway.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:55 am
Riiko..Izawa Lucky~9~Lives FreeArsenal The reason I call atheism a religion... because it's a stance and it's still a belief. So are Marxism, vegetarianism, and thinking Susan Boyle should've won the X Factor. Religion - a set of beliefs and practices claimed to lead primarily to spiritual fulfillment Atheism - lack of belief in the existence of transcendent creator personalities Thus, atheism is not a religion. I think they meant belief about God. It's not a belief about God - a person doesn't even need to be aware of the concept of God to be an atheist. Riiko..Izawa In my previous post I explained it. It's a religion just like zero's a number even though it's a lack of something. Zero isn't a lack of anything - numbers are abstract concepts; we define zero as a number.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 12:26 pm
Lucky~9~Lives Riiko..Izawa Lucky~9~Lives FreeArsenal The reason I call atheism a religion... because it's a stance and it's still a belief. So are Marxism, vegetarianism, and thinking Susan Boyle should've won the X Factor. Religion - a set of beliefs and practices claimed to lead primarily to spiritual fulfillment Atheism - lack of belief in the existence of transcendent creator personalities Thus, atheism is not a religion. I think they meant belief about God. It's not a belief about God - a person doesn't even need to be aware of the concept of God to be an atheist. Riiko..Izawa In my previous post I explained it. It's a religion just like zero's a number even though it's a lack of something. Zero isn't a lack of anything - numbers are abstract concepts; we define zero as a number. Quit being so nitpicky over phrasing, you know what I meant. What are you trying to imply with define, this whole discussing is centered around definitions. I said zero is a number and you said we define it as one. I don't see how you rephrasing that did anything. Are you trying to suggest our definition is wrong?
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:12 pm
Riiko..Izawa Lucky~9~Lives Riiko..Izawa Lucky~9~Lives FreeArsenal The reason I call atheism a religion... because it's a stance and it's still a belief. So are Marxism, vegetarianism, and thinking Susan Boyle should've won the X Factor. Religion - a set of beliefs and practices claimed to lead primarily to spiritual fulfillment Atheism - lack of belief in the existence of transcendent creator personalities Thus, atheism is not a religion. I think they meant belief about God. It's not a belief about God - a person doesn't even need to be aware of the concept of God to be an atheist. Riiko..Izawa In my previous post I explained it. It's a religion just like zero's a number even though it's a lack of something. Zero isn't a lack of anything - numbers are abstract concepts; we define zero as a number. Quit being so nitpicky over phrasing, you know what I meant. What are you trying to imply with define, this whole discussing is centered around definitions. I said zero is a number and you said we define it as one. I don't see how you rephrasing that did anything. Are you trying to suggest our definition is wrong? Basically, you're confusing atheism and secularism (lack of religion).
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:32 pm
Lucky~9~Lives Riiko..Izawa Lucky~9~Lives Riiko..Izawa Lucky~9~Lives So are Marxism, vegetarianism, and thinking Susan Boyle should've won the X Factor. Religion - a set of beliefs and practices claimed to lead primarily to spiritual fulfillment Atheism - lack of belief in the existence of transcendent creator personalities Thus, atheism is not a religion. I think they meant belief about God. It's not a belief about God - a person doesn't even need to be aware of the concept of God to be an atheist. Riiko..Izawa In my previous post I explained it. It's a religion just like zero's a number even though it's a lack of something. Zero isn't a lack of anything - numbers are abstract concepts; we define zero as a number. Quit being so nitpicky over phrasing, you know what I meant. What are you trying to imply with define, this whole discussing is centered around definitions. I said zero is a number and you said we define it as one. I don't see how you rephrasing that did anything. Are you trying to suggest our definition is wrong? Basically, you're confusing atheism and secularism (lack of religion). Great. How? I'll admit, I don't know the difference, would you please enlighten me.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 1:41 pm
Riiko..Izawa Lucky~9~Lives Basically, you're confusing atheism and secularism (lack of religion). Great. How? I'll admit, I don't know the difference, would you please enlighten me. - lacking belief in deities (that is, transcendent creative personalities) Irreligious - lacking a religion (that is, an institutionalized set of beliefs and practices claimed to lead primarily to spiritual fulfillment) There are atheistic religions (a significant number of denominations of Buddhism, for example), and irreligious theists (people who believe in a deity but reject institutionalized spirituality).
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:37 pm
Religion- the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices.
Atheism doesn't really fall under that. The only real thing Atheists have in common is that we don't believe in a deity.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:28 pm
I agree with you but what about the agnostic?
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:15 am
KenDuHast I agree with you but what about the agnostic? - the belief that knowledge of whether deities exist or not is impossible to attain, either by oneself or by people in general Thus, agnosticism is neither a religion, not necessarily atheistic.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:21 am
Lucky~9~Lives Riiko..Izawa Lucky~9~Lives Basically, you're confusing atheism and secularism (lack of religion). Great. How? I'll admit, I don't know the difference, would you please enlighten me. - lacking belief in deities (that is, transcendent creative personalities) Irreligious - lacking a religion (that is, an institutionalized set of beliefs and practices claimed to lead primarily to spiritual fulfillment) There are atheistic religions (a significant number of denominations of Buddhism, for example), and irreligious theists (people who believe in a deity but reject institutionalized spirituality). huh? Looks like I stand corrected. Thank You.
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Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:28 pm
Lucky~9~Lives FreeArsenal The reason I call atheism a religion... because it's a stance and it's still a belief. So are Marxism, vegetarianism, and thinking Susan Boyle should've won the X Factor. Religion - a set of beliefs and practices claimed to lead primarily to spiritual fulfillmentAtheism - lack of belief in the existence of transcendent creator personalities Thus, atheism is not a religion. Problem. Spiritual here is used as an adjective: Quote: spiritual Adjective 1. relating to a person's beliefs as opposed to his or her physical or material needs2. relating to religious beliefs 3. one's spiritual home the place where one feels one belongs Notation number 1. Marxism, Vegetarianism could therefore be considered spiritual, and therefore also religions. Stop this war of definitions. At best all you'll get is a stand still. Seriously.
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