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((Dont get me started on ganale/edy... trust me I think I speak for most people when I say we have no tollerance for such acts of munchiness

Mecha are just as vulnerable to ballistics as any other craft ^_^ and according to the law of pathological technology-equivalance:

"An AK-47 will kill you just as dead, as a phased array parctile cannon..."



Orbital bombardment is one of those 'risks' you take as they say, though they only seem to be used on those who munch...

Iraq had missiles... the taliban had our OWN missiles... how long did it take the US to achieve air dominance in all three encounters? under a 100 hours combined. Missiles arent much a defense when you deal with things that carry there own countermeasures, and were designed to defeat a force equally equipped or better. its easy to hit a bunch fo people running... its easier to take out fixed structures built into mountains... are you aware of the overpressure effects of thermobaric weapons within a confined bunker? (modern tech, look it up)

At the modern standard with local sattelite home advantage surveilance (ie if canada were attacking the US, and the US wanted to know where along the border they were hiding) they would know and then its really a matter of options.. a small diameter 250 bomb could be released from 25,000 feet glide up to 25 nautical miles (far beyond the horizion) and have anywhere from to eight to a thousand guided glide bombs strike with a CEP of only 9 feet... thats with almost no individual radar signature, no heat signature (gliding, no rocket) and still be capable of penetrating six feet of reinforced concrete.

Cruise Missiles could increase the precision and warhead capacity to far beyond that but those are just a few examples. Mind you those where all modern tech, and accurate to the best of my knowledge. Honestly if they know WHERE to strike a modern force can hit it... post modern technology really dosent add much to that area. A cruise missile fired from a veritech, is the same munition as fired from a modern fighter.

Im never sure how to deal with magic in a full scale encounter. It dosent fit nicely and tends to be a bit fickle as to munch or not depending on its use. but if someone used magic and munched theyd be just as harshly jumped on by members of the GG OOC as they would from the person who was the victim.))

((Brease, hush. xd

Yesh, I'm aware of Bunker Buster bombs that more or less suck the air out of the inside of the thing. I'm aware that Air battles need more than missles, which is why I have planes, which, of course, I haven't gotten around to posting yet, seeing how I've been busy with stuffers.

But meh. I don't plan on invading ya'll anytime soon. The main problem you all face is logistics. Mechas take a lot to build and maintain, much more than any tank, and take longer to build and produce. Who cares if you can produce a Mecha that can kill 9 out of ten tanks before it dies. If I can produce ten tanks to every one mecha, I'd still come out ahead...

But yeah, meh. Don't plan on actual combat anytime soon, at least with Mechas and that sort of thing, so I'll have all the kinks worked out of my troops, have my forces posted, and be ready and waiting by then.

No biggie. Killed Mechas before, killed Planes before, it just takes skills.

And possibly crazy men in Rocket Powered bombs of doom.))

OOC: It depends. Is it magic-based, or is it non-magic based? It varies from case to case.

((Actually thats not a bunker buster, that requires a BROACH warhead or similar system. A thermobaric system causes a massive release of overperessure by useing a thermobaric reaction with an incendiary gass, or powder similar to the type of explossion that happens in grain silos and the like. See the MOAB, and Daisy-cutter for examples.

But thats just me being picky...

As a side note, the GA has the logistal advantage against you by what... twenty-four to one? thats in set-up, manufacturing, training, etc time.

But im only posting that for a simple reason... and thats, that I want to know you intend to play this right. Im not a member of any of the miliatry guilds involved here but Ive been around long enough to see alot of bullshit roll past and I dont think I can stand another scott2003 type 'foriegn aggressor' situation.

PS: If memory serves me right you tried something similar when you were a member of the GA and turned traitor to attack the watch tower with simply WWII equipment, but that was under a different name wasnt it? if not you remind me strongly of him.))

(( Yes, yes it is. It still kills stuff, and kills it dead.

::cough:: Yes, that was me, under a different SN. I've been through three main ones, FritzManstein, Damien Vasiliv, and my current one. I've learned though, and I now have a good understanding of logistics. I'm speaking from an optimistic standpoint, if I could figure out a tank design that could handle Mechas and be produced cheaply and massively, currently, no.

If I was to fight you all, as things are now, I'd be roughly screwed. I'd hurt you alot, and in a variety of creative ways, but Westphalia has no real sort of heavy industry right now. In all honesty, you'll see state funded terror, riots, subversion, and all of it, hopefully, untracable to Westphalia, as I build up my forces, and attempt to lead a popular revolt.

That, or just continue to blow up stuff by using Dobermans with 10kg of TNT strapped to them. Who knows? All I'm certian is that I currently have roughly about a regiment or two of infrantry, a battalion of armor, and assorted support weapons. At most, I'll see about a company of armor rolling of the lines every week, and that's if I produce light vechiles. Tanks, about a platoon and a section, and if I went for the Heavy Stuff, about a section a week.

It dosent take a genius to see who would win in that versus an army of Mecha.))

((Well I think the misconception here is that The GA is all mechs, not true. The ASDF has what...4-5 veritechs? maybe? the MSRF isnt part of the GG and could most likely be just as easily hired by you than us.

Most likely what youd get more than often aerospace air strikes (that the ASDF does have are planes, about 50 wings worth.) So air dominance on most cases would be out of the question...

Tanks havent been an issue addressed in quite a while (we would need a member of the GA to actually post for once (wow novel conceptz!!!)).

...and infantry... well it would mot likely be NPC versus NPC, so really it would come down to the individuals ability to RP.

hell... Im just in control of a multi-national defense contractor... one that has been pretty much ignored by the mainstream gaian armed forces. could we put up much of a defense? no but youd run into the best equipped civilians you ever met! hehe sweatdrop xd

Speaking of which you mentioned designing a tank that could take on a mecha and be produced cheaply, and massively? not that hard, you just need to have a better than normal understanding of terminal ballistics, modern active defense systems, and mechnical engineering which I *cough* happen to have...

Wow Im selling out so quickly... my mum would be so proud crying

*realises hes headquarted near durem*

*cough*

what I mean to say is... umm... die? foriegn pigs?))

(can yah tell me japan?)

k thanks.