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 Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:29 pm
It can depend on the reason for the whole thing. Sometimes if the mother has a weak heart she can't wait that long depending on what their blood pressure is like. My friend Danielle was in the hospital for the last 2 weeks of her pregnancy because when pregnant she get a form of diabetes so whenever she ate ANY sugar her blood pressure shot up.
It wasn't life threatening but imagine what it would have been like if she had already had diabetes or high blood pressure as well as a weak heart.
Senarios like that do exist. And there are also those senarios just like that where the mother chooses to have the child anyway and still lives (I know one of those people) so really it's one of those, you don't know what's going to happen situations.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:46 am
Oh, alright. That's dissapointing... but they can take it out, earlier... I think. I forgot just how early, though. But the earlier they take it out, the more likely it won't live.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:58 am
Well, there's also, ectopical (I think it's called) pregnancies, where the baby is growing in the fallopian tubes, which are too small for the baby to survive in, and if the baby continues to grow it will kill the mother as well. In that case, there is no hope for either mother or child, unless surgery is conducted and the fetus is removed.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:47 pm
When it gets to the point where the baby must be aborted to save a mother's life...I don't mean "maybe" or "likely"...I mean without a doubt you WILL die. Then it really becomes self-defence and it is the only justification I see for it. Our laws, even before abortion was legal, acknowledged that sometimes a human will kill another human to save their life. But in order for that to fly as a defense, death must have been absolutely certain.
Most of the cases where this would apply are ectopic pregnancies anyway.
After my mother had me, she became pregnant, miscarried and then became pregnant again. This baby was a really tough one for her and the doctors said she had a high risk of dying. They recommended that she have the abortion...and I'm sure it wasn't because "the baby would be an inconvenience" since my mom luffs babies (she is sooo eager to be a grandmother). But she is a stubborn mule and she kept refusing. There was a chance to live and she was going to take it.
In the end, nobody died.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:03 pm
Sound kind of like my mom's story. My mother was no the healthiest gal in town. She had two miscarrages before me. SHe finally got pregnant and it looked like she wasn't going to miscarrage this time. But another blow was struck. When I was developed enough so that they could examine me, it looked as though I was goign to be born physicly and mentaly handicapped, and my mom was recomended for abortion. My mom said no, she was hell bent on having a child. Several months later, I was born. AT the time it didn;t look liek any thing was wrong with me. I had perfect motor skills, all my limbs, and there was nothign wrong with my body. It was a few years later when they found that I was born with ADHD.
On a side note, I prefer it the way it was back then. It wasn't practicly forced on you, it was a suggesion. "Ma'am...there may be somthign worng with your child, if there is, you have the option of an abortion. No? Okay then, we'll have you set up for another apoinment in a few weeks/months."
Today..."Ma'am, there looks to be somthign wrong with the fetus. I would recomend you have an abortion. No? What do you mean no? You're being stupid. Look at this chart. Etc, etc, etc."
As well, if a woman was in the abortion room, and she said she couldn't go through with it, she was aloud to leave. And now, you hear all the time about how the doctors wouldn't let them...it is a very sick, sad, perverted, and immoral world we live in to day...
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:35 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle Sound kind of like my mom's story. My mother was no the healthiest gal in town. She had two miscarrages before me. SHe finally got pregnant and it looked like she wasn't going to miscarrage this time. But another blow was struck. When I was developed enough so that they could examine me, it looked as though I was goign to be born physicly and mentaly handicapped, and my mom was recomended for abortion. My mom said no, she was hell bent on having a child. Several months later, I was born. AT the time it didn;t look liek any thing was wrong with me. I had perfect motor skills, all my limbs, and there was nothign wrong with my body. It was a few years later when they found that I was born with ADHD. On a side note, I prefer it the way it was back then. It wasn't practicly forced on you, it was a suggesion. "Ma'am...there may be somthign worng with your child, if there is, you have the option of an abortion. No? Okay then, we'll have you set up for another apoinment in a few weeks/months." Today..."Ma'am, there looks to be somthign wrong with the fetus. I would recomend you have an abortion. No? What do you mean no? You're being stupid. Look at this chart. Etc, etc, etc." As well, if a woman was in the abortion room, and she said she couldn't go through with it, she was aloud to leave. And now, you hear all the time about how the doctors wouldn't let them...it is a very sick, sad, perverted, and immoral world we live in to day...
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:40 pm
I'd tell those nurses who looked down on her, and then wanted to see him, to go butt ******** themselves with a splindred ended pine cone. The nerve, tellign her to have an abortion and then askign to see him...
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:47 pm
Yup. He's actually very tall today. And he is very, very good at XBox live, especially Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory and Halo 2. You probably know him, if you play XBox live enough.
But even if he was a dwarf, this just proves that many pro-"choice"rs, not all, have piss-poor excuses for partial birth abortions and abortions in general, using reasons such as deformities, hadicaps, etc., when the only excusable one is to save the mother's life.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 6:17 pm
Exactly. Way more often then not the baby is born with few to no problems. If you notice, in this day and age, just about every baby is being diognosed with somthign before birth.
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:06 pm
I've never noticed that before... ugh. They shouldn't do that. They're probably just trying to drive the mother into destorying it, by lying about a possibility that it has a problem. One of which doesn't make it worthy to die.
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:24 pm
If the mother would die, and the baby live,, then i'd say that abortion is not the option. The mother would be selfish not to let the baby live whenever she has already lived. I'd really have to pray about it (I'm a Christian) if both the baby's the mine were in danger.
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:54 pm
Namida_Tai If the mother would die, and the baby live,, then i'd say that abortion is not the option. The mother would be selfish not to let the baby live whenever she has already lived. I'd really have to pray about it (I'm a Christian) if both the baby's the mine were in danger. The only problem with this argument is that you are putting the baby's life before the mother's. The mother's life should be equal in value to the baby's, not lesser. I think it should be up to the mother to decide in that sort of instance. I know plenty of women who would rather the baby live then they, but that doesn't mean that they should be forced one way or the other.
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:54 am
Then you go into tough situational questions...
My mom ended up giving birth to five healthy kids. The youngest was born when I was 10 years old. What if it came down to my youngest sibling or my mom? Both of my parents worked at the time and because my mom is a teacher, she's the one who stayed in the house to take care of us. She picked us up from school and made sure we weren't neglected.
Now...my mom may have been stubborn enough to take a chance with my other sister. Death wasn't certain for her in that case so she took the risk. But what if, in the height of childbirth, it was discovered that she was DEFINATELY going to die if she had this kid (unlikely) and C-section was out of the question (even MORE unlikely)?
What if she died and my fifth sibling survived? Dad still has to work and I'm only 10 years old. Either way is a very hefty sacrifice for my mom and the rest of us.
How much danger can you be in if you still have time to think about it? You shouldn't have to plan it out that way.
Have the kid. If you are going to die, then the doctors can try to do everything they can to save you. If it results in the child being aborted, then it is very unfortunate but that's an example of self defence.
But C-section really helps prevent a number of scenarios like that from happening. We're talking about incredibly rare and special cases here (in the US anyway). I'm surprised at how many of my friends were born that way because they were too big to get out the usual way. O_o
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:00 pm
I.Am Ironically, the Pro-Choicers have already had a thread on artificial wombs... And most of them said that abortion should still be available. They claim that, as part of their "reproductive rights", they should be able to choose if their genes live on or not. stare That's kind of messed up, I though it's about them not wanting to be pregnant? Even if you solve that problem, they kill want to rid of it? That's pretty sick but it's their choice not mine ( i'm just personal pro-life). Now in case of health issues, it would be great to save both but alot of times you can't and in that case I think it's o.k. to abort cause not about not wanting a kid or not wanting to be pregnant but about life or death. Though if that was me, I don't know what I do, if it is uncertain and a possible that i'll still live then i'll take that risk but if I was told that there is no chance at all then I won't risk it ( what if at the time I was already a mother? I couldn't leave them).
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:33 pm
sachiko_sohma Now in case of health issues, it would be great to save both but alot of times you can't and in that case I think it's o.k. to abort cause not about not wanting a kid or not wanting to be pregnant but about life or death. Though if that was me, I don't know what I do, if it is uncertain and a possible that i'll still live then i'll take that risk but if I was told that there is no chance at all then I won't risk it ( what if at the time I was already a mother? I couldn't leave them). Actually, it's very rare that you have to pick either the child or the mother.
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