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Pinny Nickels

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 10:10 am


shesaysWTF
Rogues. Nuff said. Blizz doesnt have the balls to nerf them because then their dps goes "down" in pve and they will just qq.


Right now rogues are topping DPS charts, but I do not think this makes the class OP or superior.

Here is why:
Rogues have no buffs, so they can't benefit their group in that aspect. Also, we are a squishy melee class that dies easily and we require more healing than most DPSs.

If rogues did not have high DPS then inviting them to a raid would not be worth it.

Also, fan of knives, our only AoE, is only good for quick AoE pulls... it cannot be used for a long period of time (unlike hunter, mage, warlock, and other AoEs) because we run out of energy.
On top of that, the assassination PvE rotation is way more difficult than most rotations (I've played various classes at level 80, so this I know).
PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 10:24 am


Penny Nickels

On top of that, the assassination PvE rotation is way more difficult than most rotations (I've played various classes at level 80, so this I know).


There was an argument about this on our guild forums not that long ago, and then lo and behold as if they knew we were having it, a blue posted that its totally cats that have the hardest rotation.

Bacchant


shesaysWTF

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 5:54 pm


Penny Nickels
shesaysWTF
Rogues. Nuff said. Blizz doesnt have the balls to nerf them because then their dps goes "down" in pve and they will just qq.


Right now rogues are topping DPS charts, but I do not think this makes the class OP or superior.

Here is why:
Rogues have no buffs, so they can't benefit their group in that aspect. Also, we are a squishy melee class that dies easily and we require more healing than most DPSs.

If rogues did not have high DPS then inviting them to a raid would not be worth it.

Also, fan of knives, our only AoE, is only good for quick AoE pulls... it cannot be used for a long period of time (unlike hunter, mage, warlock, and other AoEs) because we run out of energy.
On top of that, the assassination PvE rotation is way more difficult than most rotations (I've played various classes at level 80, so this I know).

Fact: A good rogue can top a good fury war/hunter in dps.

Reality:80%-90% of WoW rogues suck. Of course, this can go both ways in that only half are good at pve but suck at pvp and the other half vice versa (with a cherry pick for both aspects, if lucky).

In the four years I've played WoW? A rogue doesn't need buffs because he has SO MUCH control. Sure, they are the least desired in raids but when you think about it, how many good rogues do you know that can make top 5 dps? Or, rather, have good dps output PLUS listening skills (which a lot of players seem to lack)? They may have an unfair advantage in the pve aspects due to the overwhelming amount of melee dps that Blizz has failed to restrict however you put a rogue in an arena and he can (or should) be able to take out someone that is equiv geared/skilled to him.

A rogue is superior if the player makes it superior but if you take it down to basics, a rogue is one of the more op classes. I still think ret pallies should have never been megasuperpowered buffed even pre-Wrath but I guess Blizz needs to listen to the majority of the population that just doesn't understand mechanics.
PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 6:00 pm


*NOTE: I've stopped playing WoW since Feb 2009 but I was a very active raider and pvper for the past 4 years. I have an 80 Resto Shaman, 70 Warlock and a shameless 56 Druid.

I was never a hardcore raider however I made it BT content (up to Gorfiend) several weeks after the SSC/TK nerfs. Then the guild split. crying

Started on Earthen Ring, free transfered to Farstriders for BC and transfered to Burning Blade for Wrath (which I terribly regret).

shesaysWTF


Pinny Nickels

PostPosted: Sat May 09, 2009 11:42 am


shesaysWTF
Penny Nickels
shesaysWTF
Rogues. Nuff said. Blizz doesnt have the balls to nerf them because then their dps goes "down" in pve and they will just qq.


Right now rogues are topping DPS charts, but I do not think this makes the class OP or superior.

Here is why:
Rogues have no buffs, so they can't benefit their group in that aspect. Also, we are a squishy melee class that dies easily and we require more healing than most DPSs.

If rogues did not have high DPS then inviting them to a raid would not be worth it.

Also, fan of knives, our only AoE, is only good for quick AoE pulls... it cannot be used for a long period of time (unlike hunter, mage, warlock, and other AoEs) because we run out of energy.
On top of that, the assassination PvE rotation is way more difficult than most rotations (I've played various classes at level 80, so this I know).

Fact: A good rogue can top a good fury war/hunter in dps.

Reality:80%-90% of WoW rogues suck. Of course, this can go both ways in that only half are good at pve but suck at pvp and the other half vice versa (with a cherry pick for both aspects, if lucky).

In the four years I've played WoW? A rogue doesn't need buffs because he has SO MUCH control. Sure, they are the least desired in raids but when you think about it, how many good rogues do you know that can make top 5 dps? Or, rather, have good dps output PLUS listening skills (which a lot of players seem to lack)? They may have an unfair advantage in the pve aspects due to the overwhelming amount of melee dps that Blizz has failed to restrict however you put a rogue in an arena and he can (or should) be able to take out someone that is equiv geared/skilled to him.

A rogue is superior if the player makes it superior but if you take it down to basics, a rogue is one of the more op classes. I still think ret pallies should have never been megasuperpowered buffed even pre-Wrath but I guess Blizz needs to listen to the majority of the population that just doesn't understand mechanics.


Yep I'm usually at the very top of the charts... but when I DPS on other toons I'm usually on top them too. Every class has potential, and I think the issue is that most WoW players in general suck (not just rogues)... hell, most PEOPLE suck in general. This world is an overload of idiot.

With how easy it is to get a Medallion of the Horde (or Alliance or whatever) now, and rogues being so dependant on stun locking (with every single one of our stuns having some sort of condition and/or cooldown) I don't think we're OP at all. Paladins, however, have stuns, yet they can fight just fine without even using them because they're wearing plate and have more HP. I also think frost mages are more "OP" than rogues in PvP because they have so many movement impairing moves (including frostbolt, which has no CD) so they can easily kite melee classes, damage resistance. high crits, and that mirror mage thingy.

I'm not QQing about mages and paladins though. I think if you learn how to play your class you can be just as "OP" as anyone.

EDIT: And it seems like a lot of people have trouble with druid bears too... lol. Which is probably something worth complaining about because they just stand there and absorb damage and they have thorns and stuff... disarming them doesn't really help either because their moves don't require weapons. What really makes this annoying is that PvPing as a druid bear doesn't really take any skill. neutral
There's a druid bear nub on my server who was dueling people outside Org... he won almost every time.. against priests, death knights, rogues, mages, warlocks... probably some others too. The whole time he was basically just standing in place and jumping around... and using charge if someone tried to kite him.

I beat him, but only because I used mutiple cool downs and bleeded him to death. Lol, and to prove what a nub he is, he claimed he DCed during the duel. rofl
PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 7:02 am


Penny Nickels
shesaysWTF
Penny Nickels
shesaysWTF
Rogues. Nuff said. Blizz doesnt have the balls to nerf them because then their dps goes "down" in pve and they will just qq.


Right now rogues are topping DPS charts, but I do not think this makes the class OP or superior.

Here is why:
Rogues have no buffs, so they can't benefit their group in that aspect. Also, we are a squishy melee class that dies easily and we require more healing than most DPSs.

If rogues did not have high DPS then inviting them to a raid would not be worth it.

Also, fan of knives, our only AoE, is only good for quick AoE pulls... it cannot be used for a long period of time (unlike hunter, mage, warlock, and other AoEs) because we run out of energy.
On top of that, the assassination PvE rotation is way more difficult than most rotations (I've played various classes at level 80, so this I know).

Fact: A good rogue can top a good fury war/hunter in dps.

Reality:80%-90% of WoW rogues suck. Of course, this can go both ways in that only half are good at pve but suck at pvp and the other half vice versa (with a cherry pick for both aspects, if lucky).

In the four years I've played WoW? A rogue doesn't need buffs because he has SO MUCH control. Sure, they are the least desired in raids but when you think about it, how many good rogues do you know that can make top 5 dps? Or, rather, have good dps output PLUS listening skills (which a lot of players seem to lack)? They may have an unfair advantage in the pve aspects due to the overwhelming amount of melee dps that Blizz has failed to restrict however you put a rogue in an arena and he can (or should) be able to take out someone that is equiv geared/skilled to him.

A rogue is superior if the player makes it superior but if you take it down to basics, a rogue is one of the more op classes. I still think ret pallies should have never been megasuperpowered buffed even pre-Wrath but I guess Blizz needs to listen to the majority of the population that just doesn't understand mechanics.


Yep I'm usually at the very top of the charts... but when I DPS on other toons I'm usually on top them too. Every class has potential, and I think the issue is that most WoW players in general suck (not just rogues)... hell, most PEOPLE suck in general. This world is an overload of idiot.

With how easy it is to get a Medallion of the Horde (or Alliance or whatever) now, and rogues being so dependant on stun locking (with every single one of our stuns having some sort of condition and/or cooldown) I don't think we're OP at all. Paladins, however, have stuns, yet they can fight just fine without even using them because they're wearing plate and have more HP. I also think frost mages are more "OP" than rogues in PvP because they have so many movement impairing moves (including frostbolt, which has no CD) so they can easily kite melee classes, damage resistance. high crits, and that mirror mage thingy.

I'm not QQing about mages and paladins though. I think if you learn how to play your class you can be just as "OP" as anyone.

EDIT: And it seems like a lot of people have trouble with druid bears too... lol. Which is probably something worth complaining about because they just stand there and absorb damage and they have thorns and stuff... disarming them doesn't really help either because their moves don't require weapons. What really makes this annoying is that PvPing as a druid bear doesn't really take any skill. neutral
There's a druid bear nub on my server who was dueling people outside Org... he won almost every time.. against priests, death knights, rogues, mages, warlocks... probably some others too. The whole time he was basically just standing in place and jumping around... and using charge if someone tried to kite him.

I beat him, but only because I used mutiple cool downs and bleeded him to death. Lol, and to prove what a nub he is, he claimed he DCed during the duel. rofl

HAhaha I totally know what you mean. Just when we thought those resto druids got nerf, you've got bears that are in resto gear and healing on par with more healers in arenas! They're still feral specced but it's that gear that makes them humongo healers and their spec let's them take s**t tons of damage while beating the s**t out of a cloth! Absolutely makes no sense. talk2hand

Back to the OP Convo, yeah I see mages up there too. The only reasons why mages can legitimately defend themselves for not being op is because theyre so squishy when buffs are purged/mass dispelled. It's just so funny how fast a rogue can kill them IF they get the opener but it does seem as if a rogue misses the opener, we already know who wins.

PVE wise, Blizz should have never touched anything to "up" someone's dps (cept maybe ele shams, balance druids and PERHAPS to some ret pallies (though most dont know wtf they're doing)) but the problem with uping pve dmg is that the dmg in pvp goes significantly up and that's what pisses everyone else off. I guess you could say it's why I hate patch days because I know a class is always going to be buffed super high (when Blizz claims it's just a balance). evil

shesaysWTF


Acrella

PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 3:36 pm


I'm gonna go with DKs But Ret/Prot Pallies are nuts too. On my server Emerald Dream rp/pvp The most common 2v2 arena or pve group is a DK and a Pally.. and it scares me... I mean.. seriously.. WAY OP. eek
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:25 pm


shesaysWTF
Rogues. Nuff said. Blizz doesnt have the balls to nerf them because then their dps goes "down" in pve and they will just qq.

Rogues are fine. Just because you don't know how to fight one doesn't make them "OP".

Dr Schrodinger


Twilima

PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:16 am


I'm a survival hunter, and I gotta say, even though the answer is clearly death knights, I'm heading with rogues on this one.

Damn sapping.
And stunlock.

I can handle DK's pretty easily, actually, same with ret paladins.
Because I can get away.

Rogues.. I'm dead before I can move half the time. D;
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:39 am


Bacchant
Penny Nickels

On top of that, the assassination PvE rotation is way more difficult than most rotations (I've played various classes at level 80, so this I know).


There was an argument about this on our guild forums not that long ago, and then lo and behold as if they knew we were having it, a blue posted that its totally cats that have the hardest rotation.
Cats do have the hardest rotation, especially because their rotations change depending on gear.

Cats currently put out the most dps that I've seen, but I haven't stepped into Uld.

darkshadows500

Rogues are fine. Just because you don't know how to fight one doesn't make them "OP".


eh, depends on the class. it's a lot easier for some classes to deal with rogues than others.

The Mule Of Max


xenon phase

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:19 pm


The true question is not which is best when you know how to play... but which has the best face-to-roll value. IMO that's either ret pally or pretty much any lock.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:59 pm


i do.

KillerSoldier T1


KillerSoldier T1

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:05 pm


last post.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:43 pm


KillerSoldier T1
last post.

Dr Schrodinger

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