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InsanePoisson

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:52 pm


I remember the first time I went to church...I instantly hated what they told us and my mind just naturally denied all that they said, I was young and could see the lies in what they said. I remember the first thing they said after there sermon and they split the children into groups to go to rooms for lessons. Our teacher there said, straight to our faces and being serious "By picking money up off the ground your are stealing and tainting your soul." Mind you I was around the age of 7 then. I never enjoyed the Christian religion after all they have done, the inquisition, trying to rule Europe. It's sad to see how devoted people become to this religion and are to closed minded to hear anything else but what they're taught. I don't claim any religion to be the 'right' or 'perfect' for anyone but I can say with confidence that the Christian religion is far beyond corrupt and false.
PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 10:21 am


Even though a lot of Christians had been close-minded and wrong to Pagans, I feel that we should still respect the religion, as we want other people to accept and respect ours.

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InsanePoisson

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 5:22 pm


I'm sorry but I find it hard to forgive their acts. Typically I will respect their religion but in truth I see very little reason to. They've corrupted other cultures and traditions, at one point tried to kill off Pagans, wiccans, ect. in Europe and many other crimes against their fellow humans, all in the name of their god. It's hypocritical to be honest, any sacrifices a religion make, animal wise (Though not many remaining religion sacrifice animals any more) , they say is wrong and yet they killed their fellow humans because of their beliefs, even if the ones being sent to death never did anything that could be wrong. It's hard for me to not have a great distaste to their religion, what's worse is that most following the religion don't know any of that. But you are right with the respect part, I have a tendency to forget to respect towards those I don't like.
PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 1:07 am


InsanePoisson
I'm sorry but I find it hard to forgive their acts. Typically I will respect their religion but in truth I see very little reason to. They've corrupted other cultures and traditions, at one point tried to kill off Pagans, wiccans, ect. in Europe and many other crimes against their fellow humans, all in the name of their god. It's hypocritical to be honest, any sacrifices a religion make, animal wise (Though not many remaining religion sacrifice animals any more) , they say is wrong and yet they killed their fellow humans because of their beliefs, even if the ones being sent to death never did anything that could be wrong. It's hard for me to not have a great distaste to their religion, what's worse is that most following the religion don't know any of that. But you are right with the respect part, I have a tendency to forget to respect towards those I don't like.


Its not the religion that is corrupt, take a second and look @ it with out the people, Christianity teaches you to be kind to others and treat them with respect, basically treat others they way you wish to be treated. I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but it seems like your judging something you haven't looked at closely. The problem isn't the religion itself, its the people who twist the words and meanings around to get what they want out of it. These "holy wars" were total B.S. no real reason for them, accept personal gain (human gain of cores) what would God want with land, money, gold, women? Nothing, lulz. The killing was done by Man, who either belied not knowing any better, due to lack of education, that what they were doing was right, or corrupt leaders using Christianity as a means to start a war. The people are the ones corrupt, not the religion.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:34 am


Precisely, it isn't the religion itself, it's the close-minded people.
PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:48 pm


22Noodles


Its not the religion that is corrupt, take a second and look @ it with out the people, Christianity teaches you to be kind to others and treat them with respect, basically treat others they way you wish to be treated. I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but it seems like your judging something you haven't looked at closely. The problem isn't the religion itself, its the people who twist the words and meanings around to get what they want out of it. These "holy wars" were total B.S. no real reason for them, accept personal gain (human gain of cores) what would God want with land, money, gold, women? Nothing, lulz. The killing was done by Man, who either belied not knowing any better, due to lack of education, that what they were doing was right, or corrupt leaders using Christianity as a means to start a war. The people are the ones corrupt, not the religion.


Ah but the thing is, when you examine the text of Christianity and cross it with ones that predate it, they are quite similar. The thing is I've looked deeply into the subject and into what they've done. I don't speak against anything if I haven't looked into it at least a bit. As I've looked more and more into it, I can't help but notice how closely the stories relate to those before it but the two religions having different beliefs in terms of rules and how they worshiped gods. What I find rather amusing in their religions intolerance to others, yet they say that you have free will and your life is yours to true but that seems to only be true if you follow them. All their acts against fellow humans where in the name of their god, decided by those high in power in the religion and who supposedly are in contact with their god. But yet, you look at their acts their all just for power and out of greed, that's what their god wants. This only makes me further believe this religion was created simply as a device to control as many people as they can.

When you look at it, that's what it was. When at the height of their power they basically controlled all of Europe. Decisions where made primarily after consulting a member of the Clergy. They seemed to incite war and violence more then try to prevent it. The funniest part I think is their ten commandments, they've broken them so many times in the name of their god. Yet their god made these rules and he can tell you to break them to kill his children but you can't out of free will and not face consequences? I don't mean to sound like some person who's trying to completely bash Christianity, I think it does teach some good morals we all should take a lesson from but how the religion is run just makes me greatly dislike it so much. But who am I to say anything because in truth how can we decide what's right, how can anyone? We rule our own lives and sometimes following what the majority says only leads to your own destruction. We can never say what's truly right, what's right to one may not be to another.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 7:47 pm


We are not here to bash others' religions.
PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 8:35 pm


I know that and that's what I said, I don't mean to bash. I'm just saying my views on that religion, trust me, that's not bashing, I've seen far worse and have done worse and many wouldn't consider much of it bashing, well at least those that I've seen. But again, as i've said before I don't mean to bash.

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22Noodles

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:34 pm


InsanePoisson
22Noodles


Its not the religion that is corrupt, take a second and look @ it with out the people, Christianity teaches you to be kind to others and treat them with respect, basically treat others they way you wish to be treated. I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but it seems like your judging something you haven't looked at closely. The problem isn't the religion itself, its the people who twist the words and meanings around to get what they want out of it. These "holy wars" were total B.S. no real reason for them, accept personal gain (human gain of cores) what would God want with land, money, gold, women? Nothing, lulz. The killing was done by Man, who either belied not knowing any better, due to lack of education, that what they were doing was right, or corrupt leaders using Christianity as a means to start a war. The people are the ones corrupt, not the religion.


Ah but the thing is, when you examine the text of Christianity and cross it with ones that predate it, they are quite similar. The thing is I've looked deeply into the subject and into what they've done. I don't speak against anything if I haven't looked into it at least a bit. As I've looked more and more into it, I can't help but notice how closely the stories relate to those before it but the two religions having different beliefs in terms of rules and how they worshiped gods. What I find rather amusing in their religions intolerance to others, yet they say that you have free will and your life is yours to true but that seems to only be true if you follow them. All their acts against fellow humans where in the name of their god, decided by those high in power in the religion and who supposedly are in contact with their god. But yet, you look at their acts their all just for power and out of greed, that's what their god wants. This only makes me further believe this religion was created simply as a device to control as many people as they can.

When you look at it, that's what it was. When at the height of their power they basically controlled all of Europe. Decisions where made primarily after consulting a member of the Clergy. They seemed to incite war and violence more then try to prevent it. The funniest part I think is their ten commandments, they've broken them so many times in the name of their god. Yet their god made these rules and he can tell you to break them to kill his children but you can't out of free will and not face consequences? I don't mean to sound like some person who's trying to completely bash Christianity, I think it does teach some good morals we all should take a lesson from but how the religion is run just makes me greatly dislike it so much. But who am I to say anything because in truth how can we decide what's right, how can anyone? We rule our own lives and sometimes following what the majority says only leads to your own destruction. We can never say what's truly right, what's right to one may not be to another.


As I said, those of high power were corrupt, completely bent on domination, and personal gain, using Christianity as a tool to control the general masses who didn't know any better, due to there lack of education. The commandments were imposable to live by, thanks to human nature. This is part of the reason for Christ's death, to do away with this. God never tells anyone to kill, or steal, or any of that. Why would he tell his children to do horrid things to them selves? Any command to go kill and conquer in the name of God was never given by God, what he/she would gain from that, if that was the wishes of said God, all that would be necessary is one thought, to change the world. lol simple as that. The Ten Commandments were done away with long ago, at least in a strict sense; they were set as to be the only way into Heaven. Must have been lonely, lulz as nobody could come close to upholding such strict guidelines, and that brings me back to the death of Christ. The reason for this was to do away with the sins of past, present, and future. (Something they seem to neglect to tell you in church @ least as far as I know lol).
And I agree, how a lot of things in the past and present Christian faith work don’t seem right to me, and I’m Christian. Although, I prefer to say spiritual, thanks to all the lovely corruption that follows that word, and my ideals don’t seem to flow with the way the general masses.
PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:38 pm


InsanePoisson
I know that and that's what I said, I don't mean to bash. I'm just saying my views on that religion, trust me, that's not bashing, I've seen far worse and have done worse and many wouldn't consider much of it bashing, well at least those that I've seen. But again, as i've said before I don't mean to bash.


I wouldn't consider that bashing, expressing a personal view is quite the opposite, and personally I welcome the opinion of others.

22Noodles


22Noodles

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 11:08 pm


lulz this went completely off topic, now to get it back on topic...

I was dragged to a synagogue (Jewish church type thing, i probably spelled it wrong) once, well not really dragged, but it was early in the morning so kinda half stumbled dragged, lol it was kinda cool actually, there very festive about there church type gatherings, with lots of good food, and there people there genuinely nice to you, no fake-ness, and they were a very cheery lot. Honestly it was the only church experience that didn't bore me half to death. The only reason i didn't continue going was they had different ideas than myself. But I still have allot of respect for them.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:15 pm


Mother use to be a baptist so I was drugged to church quite often up till I was old enough to speak out about not wanting to go.. which was about when I was 13 and I just didn't have any path that I followed then.. But once I hit 16 I started practicing Seax wicca with a group that invited my sister and I.. It was a pleasant experience for awhile but then a few years into it a few people in our group decided to become traditional wiccan..which lead to them being rather uppity about how things should be done and who should be allowed to participate... "Yes I know, that not all traditionalist are like that, but the few that I have encountered have really got to me." So that whole mess lead me to quit attending circles and sabats and go my own way.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:19 pm


22Noodles
lulz this went completely off topic, now to get it back on topic...

I was dragged to a synagogue (Jewish church type thing, i probably spelled it wrong) once, well not really dragged, but it was early in the morning so kinda half stumbled dragged, lol it was kinda cool actually, there very festive about there church type gatherings, with lots of good food, and there people there genuinely nice to you, no fake-ness, and they were a very cheery lot. Honestly it was the only church experience that didn't bore me half to death. The only reason i didn't continue going was they had different ideas than myself. But I still have allot of respect for them.




Woohoo on that, I went to one as a "field trip" in my western religions class and it was prolly the most fun out of the different places we went to.


And wow with the heated debate!!! I hadn't read what exactly went on until now and had a mind of scrap this thread (had that feelin ya know?), but now I think it might just survive my smite-age. I like these kinds of discussions so long as no one takes opinions too personally (cause in the end, yours really is all that matters to ya right?), and bashing isnt had. We were a little intense, but I see it as a good thing. Not everyone on here's got the conviction to debate like this (Noddles keeps saying lulz mid-sentence though, bet its as annoying to me as my rampant parentheses). Keep it cool though guys!
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:55 am


SorceressJacklyn
We got dragged to a school auditorium set up for a religious ceremony


OMG, that's what they did to my old elementary school in Chicago, now they have service every Sunday. But there's also an actual Evangelical church at the end of the block headed west and another one three blocks north of the school.
Whyyyy?! crying

Anyway, the only time I got actually dragged to church was when I was little and I went to spend a weekend at my Grandma's house because she wanted me to visit so badly. I never did that again. I noticed since she passed away a few years ago, relatives are starting to slack off going to church on Sundays.
Then after that, the only time I went to church was for funerals, and that was rare and not very amazing except I got to see dead people (I'm fascinated with dead things, don't ask, but I promise I didnt poke xd ).
Then later on I went to a Catholic Easter mass this year, and I gotta admit, I enjoyed it, it was a fun experience and the people there were really welcoming, and I didn't wanna beat people in the head with rolled up newspapers. I had met some of the priests before, and one of them figured out that I wasn't Christian at all, but he certainly did have plenty of simple friendly questions that I had no problems answering. xd
Yeah, I pretty much had a conversation with a Catholic priest and liked it a lot.

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22Noodles

PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:22 pm


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22Noodles
lulz this went completely off topic, now to get it back on topic...

I was dragged to a synagogue (Jewish church type thing, i probably spelled it wrong) once, well not really dragged, but it was early in the morning so kinda half stumbled dragged, lol it was kinda cool actually, there very festive about there church type gatherings, with lots of good food, and there people there genuinely nice to you, no fake-ness, and they were a very cheery lot. Honestly it was the only church experience that didn't bore me half to death. The only reason i didn't continue going was they had different ideas than myself. But I still have allot of respect for them.




Woohoo on that, I went to one as a "field trip" in my western religions class and it was prolly the most fun out of the different places we went to.


And wow with the heated debate!!! I hadn't read what exactly went on until now and had a mind of scrap this thread (had that feelin ya know?), but now I think it might just survive my smite-age. I like these kinds of discussions so long as no one takes opinions too personally (cause in the end, yours really is all that matters to ya right?), and bashing isnt had. We were a little intense, but I see it as a good thing. Not everyone on here's got the conviction to debate like this (Noddles keeps saying lulz mid-sentence though, bet its as annoying to me as my rampant parentheses). Keep it cool though guys!


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