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It's a new special! What are you most excited about seeing?
  the new companion -- hopefully a good character
  the new settings -- about time we had something that wasn't Earthbound!
  the entire experience -- just happy to have something to help the withdrawal symptoms
  David Tennant -- 'nuff said. :D
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knightofthe21stcentury

PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:06 pm


|Maybe she's the master. After all, she "looks like a time-lord".|
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:06 pm


Oh I agree theres alot I didnt like but a fair amount I enjoyed. The specails always tend to be hit and miss.
I liked The next doctor, The Christmas Invasion, The Runaway Bride
But disliked Voyage of the Damned

Planet of the dead will most likely end up in the dislike as comparing it now to the others it a bit poor

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:10 pm


Hah! Ironically Voyage of the Damned is probably the one special I could watch over and over without a problem. Go figure xD

Also, the number of recycled idead in the episode was rather lazy. The doctor's song ending, the doctor doing his whole time lord spiel for the umpteenth time. References to past goings on in the Whoniverse.

You know, it's not actually a crime to come up with original dialogue occasionally, guys D:
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:37 pm


Ha goes to show you every one likes something diffrent.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:06 pm



      i didn't really like it
      the script was dreadful, especially the woman.

      a miss for the specials :c
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:55 pm


COPIOUS SPOILERS FOLLOW.

Screamingly brilliant. Nobody else is making television fit to be spoken of in the same breath as this.

Went right to the heart of the central Doctor Who myth that the small and trivial is more important than the pompous and totalising but did it in a uniquely Welsh Series way. Normally the show would illustrate this through contrast - by having some megalomanic explain his plans to dominate the universe and then have TomDoc offer him a jelly baby... but here they managed to get across the imeasurable cosmic importance of pork chops and gravy without having a baddy to contrast them against.

We're given a powerful and emotive vision of simple human goodness that doesn't rely on putting it up against Eeeevil, since there's no evil anywhere in the episode. The stingray-monster things are just animals following thier life-cycle, the fly-monster things are heroic and reasonable, the UNIT captain who was about to shoot Lee Evans was doing absolutely the moral thing from her perspective. Closest thing the episode had to a baddie was Lady Christina, and she...

...well, she was just so awesome I went from wishing she was going to stick around for the rest of the specials to wishing she gets a full-on spin-off in which she capers about the place like Catwoman with a flying bus. And the Doctor proper fancied her, if you ask me. Ten loves a bit of posh.

It felt more like the classic DWM comic strip than the TV show, or maybe with lines like "We all want to meet him, but we all know what will hapen the day that we do" it feels like the DWM strip would have done if Neil Gaiman had been around to pitch in.

After the 'orrible and bloated S4 finale, Davies had a lot of work to do to convince me that his vision of Doctor Who still had its vitality and spark. I sort of kinda liked The Next Doctor, but it didn't do the trick. This did.

Best special since The Christmas Invasion.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:15 pm


How ironic, then, that in an episode that makes such a case for the importance of the mundane in the grand scheme of things that none of the supporting cast get a look in outside of those with arguably the most 'abnormal' lifestyles.

How does that square, exactly, with your assessment of it?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:55 pm


Jettrick
How ironic, then...


Blimey, you go to Sarc-Con One quick. Have I said something to make you cross? confused

I wouldn't, and didn't, say the episode holds "the mundane" in any particular esteem. Like all Davies stories since Dark Season...

Dark Season

Normal is for the comatose. If I am to teach you two anything, where ever you are, whoever you are, there is always a strangeness in things. You just have to know where to look.


...this story doesn't think there's any such thing as the mundane. Just abnormality that hasn't noticed its abnormality.

People often like to say there's a 'gay agenda' at work in the Welsh series, and I've no idea what on Earth that's supposed to even mean, but there's certainly a 'Queer agenda' in the academic sense - the thing it's desperate for us to notice is that normal lives aren't actually all that normal. They're distinct and unique and it's only when we're not awake to that that we're fooled into thinking that chops and gravy isn't a special meal and that trying to get with a girl isn't a grand adventure.

And no, that doesn't mean this time that the bus passengers get to save the Earth with their home cooking skills and pulling techinques. Neither was it was it the young couple getting married in Father's Day who resolved the situation there, but the Doctor told them that they were more important than he was, and the same's true here. Chops and gravy is why this matters.

But yeah, certainly, it's the two 'special' Aristocrats who carry the action. Though there's a connected analysis someone could do by thinking about the way that they carry it; Both of them illustrate the paradox that aristocracy can only be sustained by rebelling against aristocracy, and what finally saves the day is the symbolic hammering of an icon of 'specialness' into a practical object.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:19 am


Well, that's that cleared up then. Doesn't make the episode any more tempting a proposal to sit through again, unfortunately.

Oh, and I'm always at Sarc-Con one. Been there since the start of Welsh Who and damned if I'm changing now. I'm afraid it seems to be a rather unavoidable side-effect of those with impotence issues and huge chips on their shoulder.

Last night I had something of a minor epiphany relating to this episode, mind. I honestly think the problem with it lies more in the fact the show still stubbornly insists on tethering itself to Earth through the most increasingly tenuous of links. What, really, was the doctor doing pottering round central London when he knows full-well he's got a Noble-shaped timebomb just waiting to go off at the faintest whiff of a mysterious time-walking stranger showing up and performing all sorts of world-savery? It's like Russel picks and chooses which continuity to get behind depending on how he feels when he gets up in the morning.

Also, you have to feel for the fly-people. Sentenced to death the moment it's revealed they're stranded every bit as much as the earthlings-because we can't have insectile aliens in jumpsuits running amok on Earth now can we? And yet we can have a sodding great Routemaster flying about the place and apparently we're supposed to believe it'll be business as usual for the world in general the next day.

The whole Earth-plot was nothing but tedious filler that only served to detract from any sense of peril prevalent on that supposedly distant alien world. Sometimes this kind of juxtaposition works, but it's been done to death in Welsh Who what with the doctor's magic phone-and here I think it only cost the writers valuable space which could have gone into making a genuinely engaging narrative.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:25 am


Jettrick

Oh, and I'm always at Sarc-Con one. Been there since the start of Welsh Who and damned if I'm changing now. I'm afraid it seems to be a rather unavoidable side-effect of those with impotence issues and huge chips on their shoulder.


Well, so long as you're having fun.

I must ask though...the chip on my shoulder's all too visible, but how'd you know about my...um...other problem? redface

Jettrick

It's like Russel picks and chooses which continuity to get behind depending on how he feels when he gets up in the morning.


Yes, it's like that. And therefore exactly like every previous era of the show.

Jettrick

And yet we can have a sodding great Routemaster flying about the place and apparently we're supposed to believe it'll be business as usual for the world in general the next day.

I'm not sure we're supposed to believe anything of the sort. Planet of the Dead's accidental interplanetary commuters immediately accept they're on an alien planet because they remember the events of The Stolen Earth. The world in general seems to have a much better memory nowadays than they did back when they kept forgetting the previous month's alien invasion throughout the Pertwee era.

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The whole Earth-plot was nothing but tedious filler that only served to detract from any sense of peril prevalent on that supposedly distant alien world.

Is there a seperate and distinct 'Earth-plot', though? What happens in it?
There's perhaps one scene (Malcom's refusal to close the wormhole early) that could just about counts as a subplot if you squint at it, but unless I'm forgetting something then everything else on Earth functions as part of the main storyline.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:05 pm


Just for clarity's sake I wasn't actually fielding those insinuations at *you*, persay. I was applying them to myself and my tendency to let the fanboy within spit forth copious amounts of bile at any Who outing that sufficiently fails to engage my attention. At the end of the day, the episode didn't offer much more than a Stargate-by-numbers type affair and that's why I feel inclined to nitpick so atrociously. Precious few episodes are anywhere near perfect, but most tend to chalk up more hits than misses in the long-run. Planet of the Dead simply didn't, from my point of view.

And I'm using 'Earth-Plot' as a loose monicker to address those patches of the episode dedicated to the UNIT circus rolling into town. While I'll readily agree with you that the two parts of the story did dovetail rather nicely there was *nothing* in the earthbound segments that couldn't have been jettisoned and still left a perfectly servicible adventure yarn. All we had to know was that UNIT were covering the ground back home, and that could have been handled with a single phonecall. By cutting back and forth between the locales all you're left with is a sense that the Doctor and co. have just wandered down a particularly bothersome sliproad off the M25. It's hard to feel any discernable sense of threat when the doctor's got a portable astrophysics lab at his beck and call. That *is* why we go to such great pains to lose the TARDIS in nearly every other episode, after all.

The continuity stuff I only mentioned because the writers did *insist* on wheeling out those tired old quasi-religious portents again. Had they cut that interminible 'psychic' nonsense from the script I likely wouldn't have brought it up.

A new point of contention to mull over, though, comes from those worm-hole jumping critters they introduced. I'm fine with the fact they can rip holes in the fabric of space-time itself simply by going really fast...but what then, happens to the hole on the other end? Why don't they all just pour back into it once they've circled the planet once. Or does it just collapse again as it apparently did for the chief of police and his men at the beginning of the episode so they could get through the tunnel. Even for Who logic this seemed to be stretching credulity to breaking point.

Again, these would no doubt all be moot points had the episode amounted to something a little more than the proverbial hill of beans-but the abiding impression Planet of the Dead left me with was that it was story-lite, sense-lite drivel.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:02 pm


Sorry to beak up the extremely literate and, frankly, probably thought-inducing argument if I wasn't suffering from severe computer-eye strain right now to read it all but I'd just like to say:

I liked the special! Not love, not loathe, but like. It was a grin-worthy fun-fest that just got me giddy and depressed me at the same time. I have to wait until November-ish for the next special?! After that trailer?! OMG OMG OMG IT'S THE CLOISTER BELL!!!!!!! And, dare I say, the 4 knocks could be The Master? Dun dun dun!!!!!

Well, that's all I wanted to say, don't let the lucky Yank who caught a break, break up your discussion!

Willow--Rosenburg


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:12 pm


*Sits down with a bag of popcorn to observe the debate/discussion*
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:00 pm


I liked the episode. In my opinion it was not as good as The Runaway Bride but better than The Next Doctor. The whole Super Villain thing in the last special got on my nerves so this one was more entertaining. And it made more sense, too: (spoiler)
Bus + Antigravity clamps + Gold = flying bus
But I did not like the psychic either, the story would have worked without her "gift" (well, except the oh-so-thrilling "cliffhanger" gonk )

Leila Amra Drake


knightofthe21stcentury

PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:58 pm


I also liked it, and don't see what these people are complaining about. Maybe if you look back at the dialogue and stuff it isn't so great, but not so bad that, while watching it, you think "This is awful". I enjoyed it.
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