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 Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:29 am
Since people assume the victorian era people were polite little goody-goods, you can talk about the social ills. And of course there were lots of discoveries. And there were wars. And the western world was full of imperialistic swine with inflated sense of entitlement. See there's lots to talk about 3nodding .
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:37 am
I enjoy the social traditions of the time period (having long before discovering steampunk dedicated myself to become a gentleman) and all the pretenses that were required. Social life as a whole was much like a mind game, and going out about the town, remembering what was required of you was a challenge. Now, while I am HORRIBLE at imitating such,(as most of my knowledge of it comes from movies, and reading a little bit of 20,000 leagues) it might be a place to start. HOWEVER, I don't figure males will be as interested. I have ALWAYS been a little unusual in how I displayed my masculinity.
I do have issues with the social standings within such society, in retrospect. Gentlemen men were expected to be, but they did NOT condone giving women rights. What was done to a woman behind closed doors NEVER reflected upon the man's standing as a gentleman, and therefore it was impossible to tell who was and who wasn't.
Hell, thinking about it like that, the victorian era was just one large Masquerade, the people all wearing masks and always guessing- but never succeeding- at reading each other. That WAS the social game, and everyone played. I know that's kind of a bleh thing to say, but it is the truth, and that makes it more interesting.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:00 am
What I love most about the Victorian age is the elegant craftsmanship in every detail of its architecture. We've pretty much done away with that in our culture, in favor of cheap utilitarianism. Furthermore, I believe this is much to our culture's detriment.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:54 am
Zenath I enjoy the social traditions of the time period (having long before discovering steampunk dedicated myself to become a gentleman) and all the pretenses that were required. Social life as a whole was much like a mind game, and going out about the town, remembering what was required of you was a challenge. Now, while I am HORRIBLE at imitating such,(as most of my knowledge of it comes from movies, and reading a little bit of 20,000 leagues) it might be a place to start. HOWEVER, I don't figure males will be as interested. I have ALWAYS been a little unusual in how I displayed my masculinity. I do have issues with the social standings within such society, in retrospect. Gentlemen men were expected to be, but they did NOT condone giving women rights. What was done to a woman behind closed doors NEVER reflected upon the man's standing as a gentleman, and therefore it was impossible to tell who was and who wasn't. Hell, thinking about it like that, the victorian era was just one large Masquerade, the people all wearing masks and always guessing- but never succeeding- at reading each other. That WAS the social game, and everyone played. I know that's kind of a bleh thing to say, but it is the truth, and that makes it more interesting. Oh God, so true. Has anyone here read "The House of Mirth" by Edith Wharton because it addresses that issue. Everyone pretends to be proper gentlefolk but they're nosy, manipulative, turds and it ends up being a big disaster for the main character. So true Machine, architecture is so boring now.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:41 pm
I might be too late, but try to find anecdotes or interesting side stories about the leaders and different social classes during that time. Include facts that are interesting and the people can relate to. If you make it more personal, and have more examples of why and how certain historical facts were affecting the people of the time, it will make them more likely to care.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:24 pm
Thani10 Since people assume the victorian era people were polite little goody-goods, you can talk about the social ills. And of course there were lots of discoveries. And there were wars. And the western world was full of imperialistic swine with inflated sense of entitlement. See there's lots to talk about 3nodding . ohh, good idea :3
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:25 pm
Zenath I enjoy the social traditions of the time period (having long before discovering steampunk dedicated myself to become a gentleman) and all the pretenses that were required. Social life as a whole was much like a mind game, and going out about the town, remembering what was required of you was a challenge. Now, while I am HORRIBLE at imitating such,(as most of my knowledge of it comes from movies, and reading a little bit of 20,000 leagues) it might be a place to start. HOWEVER, I don't figure males will be as interested. I have ALWAYS been a little unusual in how I displayed my masculinity. I do have issues with the social standings within such society, in retrospect. Gentlemen men were expected to be, but they did NOT condone giving women rights. What was done to a woman behind closed doors NEVER reflected upon the man's standing as a gentleman, and therefore it was impossible to tell who was and who wasn't. Hell, thinking about it like that, the victorian era was just one large Masquerade, the people all wearing masks and always guessing- but never succeeding- at reading each other. That WAS the social game, and everyone played. I know that's kind of a bleh thing to say, but it is the truth, and that makes it more interesting. yea, i agree. Thats why I prefer Steampuk to Neovictorianism (among other reasons) because Steampunk is set in the future. So such things changed
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:27 pm
No Such Machine What I love most about the Victorian age is the elegant craftsmanship in every detail of its architecture. We've pretty much done away with that in our culture, in favor of cheap utilitarianism. Furthermore, I believe this is much to our culture's detriment. agreed. we just poor everything from a mold these days. Theres no artistic passion anymore
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:50 pm
Iseult Afire Oh goodness, I love that show! I watched it when I was 13 or so, and have been looking for it ever since.
And yes, I was going to make that a main subject. Momento Mori, and an exploration of why the age was so fixated on death. (Something to do with Victoria's loss, perhaps?)
I have complete freedom on this topic- no rules apply (excepting the basic school guidelines... So unfortunately I can't sacrifice someone in a demonstration).
Yes, it had very much to do with her loss of Prince Albert. The mourning 'culture' ended when Edward succeeded her.
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:56 pm
Lily Darling Iseult Afire Oh goodness, I love that show! I watched it when I was 13 or so, and have been looking for it ever since.
And yes, I was going to make that a main subject. Momento Mori, and an exploration of why the age was so fixated on death. (Something to do with Victoria's loss, perhaps?)
I have complete freedom on this topic- no rules apply (excepting the basic school guidelines... So unfortunately I can't sacrifice someone in a demonstration). Yes, it had very much to do with her loss of Prince Albert. The mourning 'culture' ended when Edward succeeded her. agh! now you gave it away. I can't watch it now! XD
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:15 pm
Amossk agh! now you gave it away. I can't watch it now! XD No, if you mean The 1900 House, that's not what it's about. I had already said that was about a modern-day family who gets to live a Victorian lifestyle for 3 months.
Haha, sorry for the confusion. The reason for her mourning, and thus all of Victorian society's mourning garb, jewelry, etc. is because of Her Majesty's loss of her husband.
I quite like the film Mrs Brown, even though it deals with her relationship with Prince Albert's servant John Brown. It does show her in mourning garb.
Dame Judi Dench plays her, and I love Dame Judi. biggrin
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:19 pm
Lily Darling Amossk agh! now you gave it away. I can't watch it now! XD No, if you mean The 1900 House, that's not what it's about. I had already said that was about a modern-day family who gets to live a Victorian lifestyle for 3 months.
Haha, sorry for the confusion. The reason for her mourning, and thus all of Victorian society's mourning garb, jewelry, etc. is because of Her Majesty's loss of her husband.
I quite like the film Mrs Brown, even though it deals with her relationship with Prince Albert's servant John Brown. It does show her in mourning garb.
Dame Judi Dench plays her, and I love Dame Judi. biggrin i was just kidding anyway XD
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:37 pm
Amossk i was just kidding anyway XD
Hehe. biggrin
Well if any of you ever get the chance, I highly recommend watching those. (^_Q)
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:01 pm
Lily Darling Iseult Afire Oh goodness, I love that show! I watched it when I was 13 or so, and have been looking for it ever since.
And yes, I was going to make that a main subject. Momento Mori, and an exploration of why the age was so fixated on death. (Something to do with Victoria's loss, perhaps?)
I have complete freedom on this topic- no rules apply (excepting the basic school guidelines... So unfortunately I can't sacrifice someone in a demonstration). Yes, it had very much to do with her loss of Prince Albert. The mourning 'culture' ended when Edward succeeded her. That, and the reconstruction South may not have been able to pull itself out of constant depression if the widows didn't start wearing colours again...
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:05 pm
Lily Darling Amossk i was just kidding anyway XD Hehe. biggrin
Well if any of you ever get the chance, I highly recommend watching those. (^_Q) Mkay whee
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