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Really? So Saddam Hussein's dictatorship not wanting us there and trying to force us out, is the same as the democratic government we helped form saying that they've got the situation under control now, thank you for your help, now we would like you to get out by such and such a time?

Because I could've sworn that those were two different people, and that the second group actually appreciates us taking down Saddam Hussein, and just wants us out so that they can take care of their own country now.

And no, McCain also said, during the campaign, that he wanted to pull out of Iraq when it was time to do so. No one said we should stay in.

But this thread isn't about Iraq, so please re-rail the conversation, or start a thread in the ED; I would have for this response, except I really don't think this should have to extend past this post.

Because before Obama, the US never, ever tried diplomacy! Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, none of them considered that option. Seriously, none of them. It's a totally new concept and has never been tried before.

Alright now that we've satisfied Divine's fantasy world, on topic please.

He's not the spawn of Satan, and as it's been pointed out, Clinton did the same thing. Obama is a big threat when it comes to abortion but at the same time the pro-life movement has been re-energized. There are pro-life liberals who have sent very nice proposals to reducing abortion to him and his administration; they'll be ignored because Obama can't stop politics for even a moment to admit a simple biological fact, but that's alright. We got through 8 years of Clinton, who was a little more moderate but still very firm on abortion. We'll get through 8 years of Obama.

I agree with you about abortion and personal responsibility.

I'm amazing you're counting your Blue eggs before they've hatched!

Or maybe you're just being a realist. sad

Is his life really in danger? I guess so. I'm not sure.

I certainly hope no one takes his life. I think it's a real fear given his race. But being that I'm not the Secret Service, I can't fathom how hard (or easy) it is to do that. A cloistered, protected life for eight years? It's doable.

Yeah, I was going to say; Though it'll be about race for some would-be assassins, that's not the main reason his life is in danger.

I dont have a blind hatred. I don't hate the man I am very against his principles. I dont doubt he'll do some good while in office. That doesnt mean I have to agree at all with what he stands for.

My whole family; or at least my father whom I'm around a lot is a very conservative republican. He's also very smart; he has agreed with demoncrats in the past and he knows better than to judge on party lines. He's told me all the good and bad about what happens during Obama's presidency and right now, the bad is out weighing the good.

The problem is that there is a huge, huge difference between disagreeing with someone's policies, and I'm with you in that I completely disagree with almost all of Obama's policies, and saying that they are "The spawn of Satan" and not thinking there's anything hateful about saying that.

Even your post there, you said "demoncrats" and I'm pretty sure that was on purpose. Why the hatred? Can't you just call them Democrats, though you disagree with them? Do you have to demonize your opponents? How would you feel about it if they changed "Republican" into something mean like that?

I've been there, I used to do just what you do. But eventually I realized that you're completely alienating half the population of America. More, really, because you're alienating the democrats, but you're also alienating the moderates, like me, who realize that it's stupid to demonize either party.