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oh okay...thats fine...ive been called worse....
it doesnt bother me...but what i dont think is right is ppl that think that jst because a person has an addiction they are a victim.....no you dont get an addiction from doing the right thing....ppl dont get addicted to substances like that unless they choose to take them...and ppl like that in my eyes deserve no sympathy...some ppl may help them but if someone lets themselves fall so far i dont think they deserve sympahty or pity. They dont get that bad jst sitting around being innocent. You make choices in your life that will change the path you walk. But you always have a choice. No one put a gun to her head and said take this or die. No she made a bad choice, i think she may need help, but she doesnt derserve pity or sympathy...thats the blunt coldhearted insensitive truth as you call it.
Sorry but thats jst they way life is. s**t happens, Life goes on.

Well that is where you are wrong....ppl always jt make the assumption that i have a blind view and high standards....but the standards i hold other ppl up to i also hold myself up to. If i came into that situation i would not expect sympathy or pity and ppl that gave it to me i would believe to be wasting their time. I wouldnt expect help but if someone offered im not 100% shure in that state i would accept it. I guess i will never know 100% what i myself would do or think in that situation but i can imagine what it would take to get me there and how that would change the way i think. So i still hold to what i have said before. If you hold yourself to your own standards then others should be able to as well. Not saying they should or will but they can. It is jst another possiblity among millions. Oh and you never 'need' sympathy or help. you 'want' sympathy or help. Otherwise if you never got sympathy or help you wouldnt survive. But ppl have changed themselves. So the word you should use is want not need. Oh and jst so you know im not saying anything against your belief. Your own beliefs are valid and i can say or do nothing to change your mind. As long as you accept that myne are valid as well there is not even a need for discussion. To each their own. So, that ends that......So did she ever pull her head outta her a** and straighten up or is she still down in the gutters of life?

What are you babbling about?
You pay for those services.....um someone giving you help you dont pay for....things you pay for are services......
You know wut lets jst end this bickering about who is right. I would tell you off and put you in your place but this guild means more to me than a little s**t fit between me and you. So lets jst leave and let go of this and go on with our lives. Ive been banned once for hardly saying anything to you. I dont care to give Lady a good enough reason to ban me 7 ways west of tuesday.

guess he or someone else deleted his post....

hhhmmm strange jst before i posted there it said Gabriel Orr posted had posted...but there was no post....hhhmmm musta been a glitch...

I feel really bad for her, but me just saying that won't do anything. I used to smoke pot every other day. I'm down to about twice a month. Weed in a gateway drug, she probaly started with that. Meth is thee most amazingly addictive drug there is out there. Coke is pretty bad too. She should check herself into rehab, unless she dosen't want her parents to know. When I had my first bad trip I woke up not knowing where I was or how I got there, after that I just seperated myself from that whole crowd of people. I just read an artical on meth and it was just horrible! If she is cooking her own Meth, then it's alot worse than you think. When people take Meth they feel like they are on top of the world. There high lasts for hours and hours, somtimes even days on end. After alot of use people have trouble having fun or feeling good without it. And once that high goes away, they feel like s**t. You should take that person to somplace where she can have a good time and not be high. She probaly needs to have fun while she is sober. I never knew anyone on Coke, but I'll talk to my old friends and see if they have some advice about that. Just because I read a artical in a magazine doesn't make me a specailist on Meth, but I think this may help her.

I told her to ask a doctor for help cause they cant tell her mom and I know her mom, she is sooo strickt she would probley disown her and kick her out after beating the s**t out of her. Shes not a nice lady. And it was weed she started with. Weeds not always a gateway drug. I know plenty of people who wont do anything heavier because they realize how horrible these other drugs are. She just wasnt able to say no cause she was having a bad day and looking for anything to help her and then she kept wanting more. She lives in Utah so I cant be there for her except over the phone but she has found someone who is keeping her away from the hard drugs and he lets her call him at any hour if she needs someone. So I think shes going to be ok.

So if somehow you made a choice to get into heavy drugs and then decided you wanted out and to get your life back on track it wouldnt bother you no one in the world would want to help you even if you really wanted it. Meth is an addictive drug, its torn my family apart 3 ******** times, you cant just stop meth cold turkey and be like 'ok im not a drugie anymore' you do NEED help! its if you want the the help that matters, all drugies NEED help its the ones who WANT it that are the good ones.