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LordNeuf
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:13 am


DanskiWolf
I can see your point. I wonder if the GOP will reform after Obama gives McCain a whooping. It's obvious they'll never win with another George Bush who panders to the Religious Right and has an overly bellicose foreign policy. Perhaps the GOP will get a Barry Goldwater v. 2.0.


Interesting footnote about Goldwater, he was succeeded as Senator of Arizona by John McCain.

Also Barry Goldwater substantially influenced the libertarian movement.

Goldwater was anti-union, anti-welfare and anti-700 club. If he was alive during the Bush Administration, he probably would of b***h-slapped George for being basically everything a republican should not be.

I also think that if Goldwater beat Johnson in 1964, Vietnam would of been over within months instead of years.

However Goldwater wanted to get rid of welfare and social security benefits, which made Johnson win by one of the biggest landslides in US Presidential History.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:21 pm


So my big question is what's going to happen now.

Democrats have a majority in Congress and the presidency. What kinds of things are going to be passed? What's the future of the US and the world economy?

Any predictions?

darkphoenix1247
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LordNeuf
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:28 pm


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So my big question is what's going to happen now.

Democrats have a majority in Congress and the presidency. What kinds of things are going to be passed? What's the future of the US and the world economy?

Any predictions?


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Dems need 60 in the senate and then the republican party is dead in the water for the next 4 to 6 years.

Also gaia's stupid quote function doesn't work well anymore.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:37 pm


Well, they have 56 as of now.

I am a little bit concerned. Universal health care? Not a good idea practically.

That and social security, taxes, and the budget.

darkphoenix1247
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LordNeuf
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:43 pm


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Well, they have 56 as of now.

I am a little bit concerned. Universal health care? Not a good idea practically.

That and social security, taxes, and the budget.


Frugality, good thinking and government don't always enter into the plan.

Well... all things considered, the 700 billion dollar bailout plan.

It would of been 100 billion dollars cheaper, to send every American man, woman and child... 2 million dollars.

But instead, we have a more expensive plan when the government gives Americans 300 dollars a piece, then asks for 3,000 back.

Eh, what can ya do.

And DON'T say "vote from the rooftops."
PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:49 pm


I really wish I knew. That and my generation has to inherit the debt from yours and generations back. And I really don't want to pay for old people's social security that I won't actually get since the system is so immensely flawed.

But I really would like to go college.

darkphoenix1247
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Queen Tomo

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:04 am


LordNeuf
Quote:
So my big question is what's going to happen now.

Democrats have a majority in Congress and the presidency. What kinds of things are going to be passed? What's the future of the US and the world economy?

Any predictions?


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Dems need 60 in the senate and then the republican party is dead in the water for the next 4 to 6 years.

Also gaia's stupid quote function doesn't work well anymore.
Ahh that the best picture ever!
Note: I'm not saying anything about the election. My school's forum is full of gloating idiots. And some gloating nice people.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:11 pm


obama won! =D!!!!!!!

Princess Tadakichi


darkphoenix1247
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:35 pm


And I'm exceptionally worried.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:38 pm


I'm worried too. I'm afraid Obama is going to die. I'm a moderate Republican by the way and mad. A ban on Gay Marriage just passed in my state, along with banning heterosexual civil unions. They just killed two different groups of people. Huh, I bet you never heard that from a Republician.

I hope gun control that Obama is thinking up doesn't pass. We are allowed to have guns; it is in the Bill of Rights.

Well, he got more people to vote at least. That is a good thing, right? *still disappointed that Mccain didn't win*

ffdarkangel


Princess Tadakichi

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:54 pm


ffdarkangel
I'm worried too. I'm afraid Obama is going to die. I'm a moderate Republican by the way and mad. A ban on Gay Marriage just passed in my state, along with banning heterosexual civil unions. They just killed two different groups of people. Huh, I bet you never heard that from a Republician.

I hope gun control that Obama is thinking up doesn't pass. We are allowed to have guns; it is in the Bill of Rights.

Well, he got more people to vote at least. That is a good thing, right? *still disappointed that Mccain didn't win*


Dont say that... post your great amount of negativity some were else.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:49 pm


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Muahaha, we liberals fooled you all!
To say that Obama is anti-gun is a half truth. I think where people get this idea was a handgun ban he supported in Illinois. He's always supported sportsmen and more importantly people who hunt to eat, it's the illegal gun dealers he doesn't support. I think above all that's what he was trying to accomplish with the handgun ban even though I doubt it is very effective.
Anyway, I say all that to say this: he isn't going to step into the White House on day 1 and put gun control policies into motion. There are much MUCH bigger fish to fry. It's more likely that we'll see changes with gun laws in a year or two, but they will mainly be state by state and local bans if there are any bans at all.

And Cindy, I can certainly understand why socialized medicine would be of a concern to you. For those of us who plan to go into the health professions (word up!), it's important to know what it will mean for us. However that main question is will it benefit our country better than our current system. Really that depends on how you look at it.

It's a shocker to most people that the United States, the best country in the world, is 37th on the World Health Organization's ranking of countries and their health care systems. Below Chile, below Cyprus, below Singapore; even Taiwan has a lower rate of infant mortality than our country. Much improvement is needed, and what better way to do that than to have the government assure you that you will never be denied proper care? To have hospitals funded by our tax dollar makes just as much sense as schools benefiting from taxation as well.

France is an excellent example as to the wonders of universal health care. On average we pay nearly twice as much a year on our health then the French. Though physicians make less money in France, medical school is tuition free for those who make the cut. There also aren't these month long waiting lists like what you have in Canada and Britain for something as simple as a CT scan.
With 53% (middle class) of our country is struggling to pay their medical bills and another 12% (poor) can't get medical care at all unless is emergency care, tell me why something like a socialized medical system hasn't happened yet! Really, tell me. I'd like to know oppositions/questions.

kingpinsqeezels


darkphoenix1247
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:41 pm


Tadakichi: While I may not agree, I'm more than happy to respect anybody else's views, so please do the same for others- this is a political discussion thread. blaugh


King: I know our health care system needs some work, but I just don't think universal health care is the answer. While I think it's a great idea, I think it's just plain impractical in America to give everybody health care. How can you tell what counts as something that should be insured or not, too? I'm all for helping the poor, but some health problems really need to be worked on first without people relying on medical procedures for the answer. In particular, I think obesity is far too large of a problem. Maybe people should actually diet and exercise before relying on lipo or similar procedures. (Please note: I am NOT saying most people do this, or that there aren't legitimate genetic/biological reasons for being overweight. I'm just saying it's a problem that we need to work on) I also think the malpractice tax is far too out of control; doctors are spending far too much money on trying not to get sued when they haven't even done anything wrong. And college tuition needs to be changed as well. It's just ridiculous.

While health care may be decent in other countries, the US also has some of the most advanced treatments in the world- other people come from Europe if they have cancer and can afford it, too.

I also have a different opinion on government. I feel people rely too much on government handouts rather than their own work (Please note- NOT all, or probably not even most. I'm NOT saying it's a poor person's fault that they are poor) But enough that makes it a difference.

How is our government supposed to afford it, either? Our debt is ridiculous, and raising taxes certainly isn't going to help eliminate our past debt. What about social security, too?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:13 pm


I agree with you completely about people who rely on government hand outs. People have such a sense of entitlement these days. Habitat for humanity has it right: if you're going to get this help, you need to show us that you're earning it. Those people have to work 300 hours. Going back to FDR and the Great Depression people wanted a hand up, not a hand out. They WORKED for the help the government gave them. Ingenious.

One thing Obama has going for him is the help he wants to give college kids. I pay 2,500 hundred a year for college, but Obama says he will give me a 4,000 dollar credit in exchange for 100 hours of community service. That will cost the American people 10 billion a year, but imagine what kind of opportunity that would give the less fortunate if he fulfills his promise.

The times that are ahead of us are going to be hard. It wouldn't have mattered who we elected, we've got some major crap to deal with. Obama has made a lot of promises that can help our country greatly if they are achieved, but like he said last night we can't expect this to happen in 4 years or 8 years or maybe even 20. We've dug quite a hole for ourselves, and the only thing we can do is become more involved. We have to be the next great generation that steps up to the plate, sacrifices, and above all else never quits.

Barack is really adamant about bringing jobs back to America. On his infomercial he talks about giving thousands (I forget the number exactly) of dollars worth of tax cuts to companies for every American they employ. He doesn't support the crap Bush pulled with giving tax cuts to businesses shipping American's jobs oversees for cheaper wages. That right there could help the economy a lot if it happens. We'll know if it will happen sooner rather than later.

On a quick side note, rich people need to be giving much more in taxes. Screw Joe the Plumber, if you can afford to give more to your country I believe you absolutely should.

kingpinsqeezels


darkphoenix1247
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:56 pm


But I don't want anything from my country, why should I give a chunk of my income to it?
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