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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:08 pm


SpiralRasengan
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I blame the pope....

The father of all lies, the master of all tricks. Seriously though, the pope is a spirtual and occult represent, the end.

BTW AND BACK ON TOPIC

Didn't we do some experiments with magick along with the russians during the cold war?

I know that the Russians were doing some tests with psychic power during the Cold War, but I'm not sure about the US. We have a rather... tight-lipped secret research programs.

Also, why are you picking on the Templars? Everyone know's it's the Atlantean-controlled Illuminati Freemasons who are controlling the chips in our brains. (Scientologists were half-right)


Project Stargate, done by Stanford Research Institute and funded by the Department of Defense. Designed to test the reliability of remote viewing in intelligence operations. They had some interesting results but the project was ultimately scrapped.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:43 am


On consiparcy theories. What do you think of spiritual protection ,or spiritual powers of those in charge? Like HItler for example, he killed millions. Feared by every one but most nazis, who hailed him as there leader. Shouldn't that alone give him some magickal power?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:53 pm


Obscurus
SpiralRasengan
BaNaNa_blend
talnari forsaken
I blame the pope....

The father of all lies, the master of all tricks. Seriously though, the pope is a spirtual and occult represent, the end.

BTW AND BACK ON TOPIC

Didn't we do some experiments with magick along with the russians during the cold war?

I know that the Russians were doing some tests with psychic power during the Cold War, but I'm not sure about the US. We have a rather... tight-lipped secret research programs.

Also, why are you picking on the Templars? Everyone know's it's the Atlantean-controlled Illuminati Freemasons who are controlling the chips in our brains. (Scientologists were half-right)


Project Stargate, done by Stanford Research Institute and funded by the Department of Defense. Designed to test the reliability of remote viewing in intelligence operations. They had some interesting results but the project was ultimately scrapped.


I read one man's account on it, I believe. It sounded very interesting, but I wouldn't doubt that there still are experiments going on.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 9:45 pm


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On consiparcy theories. What do you think of spiritual protection ,or spiritual powers of those in charge? Like HItler for example, he killed millions. Feared by every one but most nazis, who hailed him as there leader. Shouldn't that alone give him some magickal power?


The Nazis actually did a great deal of research into the occult and Heinrich Himler had a personal astrologer and everything.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:20 am


Obscurus
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On consiparcy theories. What do you think of spiritual protection ,or spiritual powers of those in charge? Like HItler for example, he killed millions. Feared by every one but most nazis, who hailed him as there leader. Shouldn't that alone give him some magickal power?


The Nazis actually did a great deal of research into the occult and Heinrich Himler had a personal astrologer and everything.


I just got done watching the occult history of the 3rd reich.

Ive actullay herd from some un reliable, neo nazi satanist(I am a satanist mind you) That Hitler had a personal gaurdian demon named sergorath.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:40 pm


BaNaNa_blend
On consiparcy theories. What do you think of spiritual protection ,or spiritual powers of those in charge? Like HItler for example, he killed millions. Feared by every one but most nazis, who hailed him as there leader. Shouldn't that alone give him some magickal power?

Actually, most of Germany loved Hitler. You could argue that the love was birthed from the fear, which is a valid point, but the fact of the matter is that most believed what he said and loved him. It's just that most of what you hear about was the fear of the Jews and those he threw in camps. Plus, most of the Germans now don't want to admit that they loved him.

I actually wrote my senior English paper about how charismatic leaders can be. Hitler in Germany, and O'Brien/Big Brother in 1984. It's the same thing. People love strong, authoritative figures. Even if they, you know, advocate the persecution and killing of thousands of innocent people.

DrasBrisingr


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:48 pm


DrasBrisingr
BaNaNa_blend
On consiparcy theories. What do you think of spiritual protection ,or spiritual powers of those in charge? Like HItler for example, he killed millions. Feared by every one but most nazis, who hailed him as there leader. Shouldn't that alone give him some magickal power?

Actually, most of Germany loved Hitler. You could argue that the love was birthed from the fear, which is a valid point, but the fact of the matter is that most believed what he said and loved him. It's just that most of what you hear about was the fear of the Jews and those he threw in camps. Plus, most of the Germans now don't want to admit that they loved him.

I actually wrote my senior English paper about how charismatic leaders can be. Hitler in Germany, and O'Brien/Big Brother in 1984. It's the same thing. People love strong, authoritative figures. Even if they, you know, advocate the persecution and killing of thousands of innocent people.

I was talking about the fear everyone else felt, not the German's.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:48 am


BaNaNa_blend
DrasBrisingr
BaNaNa_blend
On consiparcy theories. What do you think of spiritual protection ,or spiritual powers of those in charge? Like HItler for example, he killed millions. Feared by every one but most nazis, who hailed him as there leader. Shouldn't that alone give him some magickal power?

Actually, most of Germany loved Hitler. You could argue that the love was birthed from the fear, which is a valid point, but the fact of the matter is that most believed what he said and loved him. It's just that most of what you hear about was the fear of the Jews and those he threw in camps. Plus, most of the Germans now don't want to admit that they loved him.

I actually wrote my senior English paper about how charismatic leaders can be. Hitler in Germany, and O'Brien/Big Brother in 1984. It's the same thing. People love strong, authoritative figures. Even if they, you know, advocate the persecution and killing of thousands of innocent people.

I was talking about the fear everyone else felt, not the German's.

Germans=/=Nazis.

DrasBrisingr


BaNaNa_blend

PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:18 pm


DrasBrisingr
BaNaNa_blend
DrasBrisingr
BaNaNa_blend
On consiparcy theories. What do you think of spiritual protection ,or spiritual powers of those in charge? Like HItler for example, he killed millions. Feared by every one but most nazis, who hailed him as there leader. Shouldn't that alone give him some magickal power?

Actually, most of Germany loved Hitler. You could argue that the love was birthed from the fear, which is a valid point, but the fact of the matter is that most believed what he said and loved him. It's just that most of what you hear about was the fear of the Jews and those he threw in camps. Plus, most of the Germans now don't want to admit that they loved him.

I actually wrote my senior English paper about how charismatic leaders can be. Hitler in Germany, and O'Brien/Big Brother in 1984. It's the same thing. People love strong, authoritative figures. Even if they, you know, advocate the persecution and killing of thousands of innocent people.

I was talking about the fear everyone else felt, not the German's.

Germans=/=Nazis.

I blame the schools brainwashing us during history...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:21 pm


Honesty: I read virtually none of this. It started off talking about conspiracy theories I'd never heard of and have nothing to say about, so I didn't even read the rest or any of the responses. I clicked the link to www.abovetopsecret.com out of curiosity whether it proposed the theories or discounted them, and left after looking at it for less than two or three seconds to find the answer. Therefore, my response to this is not towards anything explicitly written above me.

Also honesty: I've found that most conspiracy theories cannot be either discounted or verified without fact, and that some things even are unproveable until science and/or the declassification system catch up on the times. In other words, some of the theories that the government say are ridiculous really are, some are just things no one is sure about but wants to pretend they are, and some are true or touch on a truth that no one in the government is legally allowed to talk about.

Everyone with a Confidential, Secret, or Top Secret clearance signs a paper first swearing that they will never tell classified information or allow it to leak, even upon death. It's a binding contract that can, depending on severity, lead to death row-- a loss of one's employment at the very least. Even the facts that disprove a theory are often still classified, which only sucks because those without honor and understanding then claim, "If you won't say why I'm wrong, then you can't, because I'm right." Noooooo, sweetheart, just because Daddy won't tell you where babies really come from doesn't mean it's the stork. Trust me, it's not.

A little extra bit of honesty: There is no classification above Top Secret. There are only Confidential (the lowest), Secret (middle), and Top Secret (highest). That's why it's called "top." There are sub-controls within each level, but those only define whether a person has a personal need to know that information. Someone with a TS clearance does not usually have access to all classified information, and this is to minimize the risk of someone leaking information on purpose or on accident. The more information one person knows, the greater a risk they are to national security. What if someone gets ahold of their computer? What if they get abducted by the enemy? What if they are so immursed in classified material on a daily basis that they slip one night and say something in front of a microphone or spy? It happens, as well as espionage, so the idea is to minimize those risks and limit the amount of information any one person knows. There is still nothing above Top Secret, just subsections within it.

ArynChris


ArynChris

PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:28 pm


SpiralRasengan
I know that the Russians were doing some tests with psychic power during the Cold War, but I'm not sure about the US. We have a rather... tight-lipped secret research programs.

The US did, and the project has recently been declassified. It was called Project Stargate (no relation to the show), and some of those who were involved have since written books about their experience with it. There's one written by a retired Major, I think, that I actually found in a PX that I made the mistake of gifting to a friend instead of reading... I've since become very curious what he had to say.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:30 pm


BaNaNa_blend
DrasBrisingr
BaNaNa_blend
DrasBrisingr
BaNaNa_blend
On consiparcy theories. What do you think of spiritual protection ,or spiritual powers of those in charge? Like HItler for example, he killed millions. Feared by every one but most nazis, who hailed him as there leader. Shouldn't that alone give him some magickal power?

Actually, most of Germany loved Hitler. You could argue that the love was birthed from the fear, which is a valid point, but the fact of the matter is that most believed what he said and loved him. It's just that most of what you hear about was the fear of the Jews and those he threw in camps. Plus, most of the Germans now don't want to admit that they loved him.

I actually wrote my senior English paper about how charismatic leaders can be. Hitler in Germany, and O'Brien/Big Brother in 1984. It's the same thing. People love strong, authoritative figures. Even if they, you know, advocate the persecution and killing of thousands of innocent people.

I was talking about the fear everyone else felt, not the German's.

Germans=/=Nazis.

I blame the schools brainwashing us during history...

Finish this famous quote: "History is written by the _______."

Also, not all Germans gave a care about loving Hitler. What they loved was not starving, not their currency lose value so fast that their children would use the bundles of paper as cheap toy bricks, not to watch those same children die of disease and malnutrition around them, not having to pay half the known world in blood and valuables as the price of losing their last war. The Jews were an exceptable target because the Jews had always played their lot a little smarter than everyone else and weren't as poor, even if they were still starving. To everyone else--and not just in Germany--the Jews were a little too smart for their own good... which is why not a nation would grant them shelter when they were first exiled, including us. Hitler wasn't a strong leader so much as he knew how to work a mob.

ArynChris


ArynChris

PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:45 pm


talnari forsaken
I blame the pope....

Well, the Vatican is sitting on a wealth of information that would/could prove and disprove a whole lot of theories. xd Has anyone ever heard of the saint whose qualifying miracle was physically manifesting next to the deathbed of some cardinal or pope while physically lying in his own bed in another country altogether? They didn't realize it until months later, when letters caught up to his local friends thanking him for being there, and they wrote to the cardinal/pope's people asking after his health (because the future saint had told them about the guy's death). Now that the paranormal has gone so decidedly anti-Catholic, the Vatican has gone mysteriously quiet on such well-documented incidences... *bwuahahaha*
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