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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:28 pm
Well, yeah, I get the general gist of it. (somehow, the general gist actually got me 100%, despite my answers being directly contradictory.) I'm more interested in the name. Neo and Pagan... just don't go together.
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:09 pm
Rissa, if you'd please refer to my signature.
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:19 pm
1. Secular Humanism (100%) 2. Unitarian Universalism (93%) 3. Liberal Quakers (83%) 4. Neo-Pagan (76%) 5. Nontheist (70%) 6. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (69%) 7. New Age (66%) 8. Theravada Buddhism (60%) 9. Taoism (54%) 10. Mahayana Buddhism (50%) 11. Reform Judaism (47%) 12. Orthodox Quaker (44%) 13. Scientology (43%) 14. New Thought (40%) 15. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (33%) 16. Baha'i Faith (32%) 17. Sikhism (32%) 18. Jainism (28%) 19. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (23%) 20. Hinduism (23%) 21. Seventh Day Adventist (19%) 22. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (17%) 23. Eastern Orthodox (15%) 24. Islam (15%) 25. Orthodox Judaism (15%) 26. Roman Catholic (15%) 27. Jehovah's Witness (11%)
Yeah, that's about right. Somewhere between secular humanism and Unitarian Universalism is about right.
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 12:47 pm
Okay, I'm not going to take the quiz because I already know what I believe, but I think I need to explain it a bit.
I'm a Christian. Simply Christian, and not the kind a lot of people hate because they've gotten the wrong side of the story. I don't follow the doctrines of any specific denomination, but rather I'm what you call a "Non Denominational" believer. I simply believe that there is a God, and that the sole authority of my faith comes from the Bible (and Him), and not from the mouth of a man who can "interpret" what it says (though a good minister helps to understand scripture instead of wording it into what he thinks it means). Therefore, I believe that God cannot be labeled as Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, or what have you because God is God. In a sense, I too, dislike religion because it has deviated so far from what it was originally. Rather, I follow faith, which is different from that of religion because religion was created by man.
I also believe that the persecution of any person for any specific reason is wrong, because as a Christian, I am taught to love my fellow man. God is love, so therefore, if I love God, then I must love everything because he does, which means I don't care if you're gay, bisexual, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Pagan, or whatever. It's not my place to judge you, but rather I except you as you are, though I may disagree with your beliefs and you with mine. I don't think it right for people to spurn and hate each other simply because we think differently. WHERE'S THE LOVE, MAN?
So yeah. Basically, I'm a giant hippie at heart. heart
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 7:58 am
Agnostic, with the belief of a divine being.
Wait...I've already did done answer this thread with the quiz... sweatdrop
Meh.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:36 am
Alamoria Agnostic, with the belief of a divine being. Wait...I've already did done answer this thread with the quiz... sweatdrop Meh. I could call myself agnostic, but that tends to imply thinking that any of the earth's religions could be accurate. I don't believe this. I summarily reject and disbelieve in humanity's various Invisible Sky Wizards the same way I disbelieve in Odin and leprechauns. In terms of a divine being, I am unwilling to hazard even the faintest notion of a guess. I will not say there isn't one, but I won't say there is one either, but I don't ******** know. I feel scepticism and/or disinterest is the strongest position on this subject.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:42 pm
Blessed Blade In terms of a divine being, I am unwilling to hazard even the faintest notion of a guess. I will not say there isn't one, but I won't say there is one either, but I don't ******** know. I feel scepticism and/or disinterest is the strongest position on this subject. Mm. And I definitely don't believe in the 'big bang'. Life begets life...it's one of the observed facts of science...and if you're going to superheat/superfreeze everything as we know it. You'd effectively kill all life...meaning where did this life come from? And the conditions of our existences are -far- too complex to have just occurred naturally...sure, we're not very effiecently made...but that's beside the point. But there's no proof of any of this...and I don't see there ever being proof. So I just leave it as 'Agnostic, with the belief of a divine being' and leave it at that, going on with my life, until the next person asks.
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:56 pm
Alamoria Blessed Blade In terms of a divine being, I am unwilling to hazard even the faintest notion of a guess. I will not say there isn't one, but I won't say there is one either, but I don't ******** know. I feel scepticism and/or disinterest is the strongest position on this subject. Mm. And I definitely don't believe in the 'big bang'. Life begets life...it's one of the observed facts of science...and if you're going to superheat/superfreeze everything as we know it. You'd effectively kill all life...meaning where did this life come from? And the conditions of our existences are -far- too complex to have just occurred naturally...sure, we're not very effiecently made...but that's beside the point. But there's no proof of any of this...and I don't see there ever being proof. So I just leave it as 'Agnostic, with the belief of a divine being' and leave it at that, going on with my life, until the next person asks. Just because they haven't discovered how life intitially formed doesn't mean they eventually won't. At one point we didn't know how stars formed, and we also assumed they were simply made by a divine being. Now we have a pretty general idea of how stars were formed, and have no need to assume "God" did it. Why not believe in the Big Bang if that's what the evidence suggest? If you were a scientist actively pursuing a different theory, with your evidence and measures, I would happily listen to your opinion, and possibly even cede my agreement with the scientific consensus on the matter and relocate myself to "sceptical and/or disinterested". But as it stands you don't "believe in" it the same way an Atheist doesn't "believe in" a divine being. You yourself have no evidence to suggest there WASN'T a big bang, and a large scientific consensus exists that there WAS one. The idea of the Big Bang just does't sit well with you, and that doesn't cut it. One current hypothesis as to the origin of life is that at some point certain molecules formed that were able to recreate themselves. This process expanded and the complexity of the molecules increased to include several molecules. Eventually these became the first single-celled organisms, and things proceeded from there. It is a fundamental fallacy to assume that just because we don't know the cause of something means that there isn't one, and thus a divine being had to fill in the gaps. If a divine being thought things out this far, why waste the effort and not make everything fit?
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:53 am
Blessed Blade Just because they haven't discovered how life intitially formed doesn't mean they eventually won't. At one point we didn't know how stars formed, and we also assumed they were simply made by a divine being. Now we have a pretty general idea of how stars were formed, and have no need to assume "God" did it. Why not believe in the Big Bang if that's what the evidence suggest? If you were a scientist actively pursuing a different theory, with your evidence and measures, I would happily listen to your opinion, and possibly even cede my agreement with the scientific consensus on the matter and relocate myself to "sceptical and/or disinterested". But as it stands you don't "believe in" it the same way an Atheist doesn't "believe in" a divine being. You yourself have no evidence to suggest there WASN'T a big bang, and a large scientific consensus exists that there WAS one. The idea of the Big Bang just does't sit well with you, and that doesn't cut it. One current hypothesis as to the origin of life is that at some point certain molecules formed that were able to recreate themselves. This process expanded and the complexity of the molecules increased to include several molecules. Eventually these became the first single-celled organisms, and things proceeded from there. It is a fundamental fallacy to assume that just because we don't know the cause of something means that there isn't one, and thus a divine being had to fill in the gaps. If a divine being thought things out this far, why waste the effort and not make everything fit? No No No. I'm saying that a 'big bang' under the 'scientific consensus''s theory would create a lot of heat, and then a lot of cold. And either of those conditions would, under my understanding....Destroy anything that would be capable of life. As all living organisms that we know of, die at temperatures of 165 degrees F or higher. Also, there's nothing that we've seen that's capable of producing life from non-living matter... Using what's known in the above paragraph....I find it rather silly to believe in something causing that much heat would have anything living in it...or at least I feel it should be labeled 'highly unprobable' in my book. And I'm pretty sure I've already presented this 'evidence' that you seem to overlook, much like most religious people tend to overlook contradicting statements. Also note, that I never said it didn't happen...I'm just under the impression that scientists are ignorant enough that they can't use there own theories to disprove other theories like they're supposed to...so far I've heard nothing contradicting what I've said.
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:44 am
I didn't overlook your evidence. Your evidence is based on the assumption that you can't have life without life already there. You say that because those temperatures destroy life, it therefor could not have happened.
I believe I refuted this argument by saying that there are currently theories as to how life could come out of purely physical processes. Modern science is incredibly young, and has progressed incredibly quickly, yet you've already decided that life CANNOT have been the result of natural processes. Processes such as the one I described, in which certain self-replicating molecules grew in complexity until they could be considered life, if true, refute your argument. And on top of this, your argument about heat is irrelevant to your argument to begin with. The big bang was composed of nothing but hydrogen in the current model. Living organisms aren't made out of pure hydrogen, so you don't even need to argue that temperature would kill it all, because it couldn't have existed before the big bang to begin with.
And I will repeat my argument. Why would an all powerful, resourceful, and obviously incredibly creative deity go through all the work of creating an infinitely complex scientific system only to get lazy when it came to creating life? It doesn't make any sense at all.
Once again, just because we don't understand it now, doesn't mean we won't ever understand it. Doesn't mean we will, but at one time we thought atoms were the smallest unit in the universe. We used to think the earth was at the center of the universe, and that it was flat. At every generation there is someone that thinks that we have reached the pinnacle of scientific knowledge, that there are just some things that we can never do, never know. And with each passing generation scientists happily smash down those barriers. Why? Because they're more interested in testing and researching than making assumptions about things they don't know yet.
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:55 am
There are some inorganic... uh... organisms. I'm really not sure how it works, to be honest.
Though I agree that life is mind-blowingly complex as to have been spontaneous, at the same time, there's alot of room in the universe for spontaneous to happen.
The fact that there is a debate at all means that there is insufficient evidence to prove anything one way or the other. Faith is simply not quantifiable, and Science is lacking. By extension, both viewpoints are valid, and, as has been postulated, not neccessarily exclusive. Why couldn't an omnipotent deific being constructed a system in which life could have "spontaneously" been created?
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:57 am
As an addendum, there are kinds of bacteria that can only exist inside active volcanoes. Our ideal conditions are not universally ideal conditions.
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:05 am
Blessed Blade I didn't overlook your evidence. Your evidence is based on the assumption that you can't have life without life already there. You say that because those temperatures destroy life, it therefor could not have happened. I believe I refuted this argument by saying that there are currently theories as to how life could come out of purely physical processes. Modern science is incredibly young, and has progressed incredibly quickly, yet you've already decided that life CANNOT have been the result of natural processes. Processes such as the one I described, in which certain self-replicating molecules grew in complexity until they could be considered life. And I will repeat my argument. Why would an all powerful, resourceful, and obviously incredibly creative deity go through all the work of crating an infinitely complex scientific system only to get lazy when it came to creating life? It doesn't make any sense at all. Once again, just because we don't understand it now, doesn't mean we won't ever understand it. Doesn't mean we will, but at one time we though atoms were the smallest unit in the universe. We used to think the earth was at the center of the universe, and that it was flat. At every generation there is someone that thinks that we have reached the pinacle of scientific knowledge, that there are just some things that we can never do, never know. ANd with each passing generation scientists happily smash down those barriers. Why? Because they're more interested in testing and researching than making assumptions. Well. Until there's even a way to test that life could have just happened, I'm going to assume what we know. You know...how science is supposed to work...Scientific Method and all. I mean without tests, I could throw out the theory that Aliens do exist...(if big bang is right, then there probably is)...but without proof or even a way to test it, it's moot. It won't change the fact that I'm 'here and now'. I honestly don't care if I'm wrong in the end, it won't change anything. As soon as scientists can come up with a way to even come close to testing that...I'll be happily all for testing and finding out what caused it. Until then. I'm going on with my nonchalant life...Apathetic, Argumentative and all until the the end.
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:08 am
Lash Tamaron As an addendum, there are kinds of bacteria that can only exist inside active volcanoes. Our ideal conditions are not universally ideal conditions. See, this is information I like. This points one way or another. Though...by 'inside' do you mean in the molten rock...or just near it? What are the temperatures there?
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:09 am
Darnit, you got to it before I made the edits to my post.
But either way, I'll make one last argument. I think it's against the scientific method to immediately assume that there's no way to explain it. That encourages you to not form a testable hypothesis. If every scientist's view was "God did it", then we would never learn anything. That's what's wrong with those "Intelligent Design" chaps.
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