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MadkingRyan25

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:50 am


i was in sidelin percusion(pit) for ben davis
PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:23 am


our drumline got along most of the time.we would sometimes bump heads(sometimes i mean it litterly)but we were and always will be family.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:51 am


Hmmm, I can't decide! >_<

I play Drumline but I love the Pit!! Before I marched I did 50/50 Drums and Marimba

I have to give credit to both.

Pit has to actually read notes but they don't have to remember choreography.
Drumline has to actually do some choreography, but they don't need notes and such.

So I love Pit Drumline 51% and Pit 49% only 'cause I play Drumline ^_^
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:57 am


Both sections have it rough. I've never been in drum line, but I've been in both color guard and pit, so I have experience of marching (more experience marching than playing an instrument. I was only in pit because I got injured sweatdrop ) . In one aspect, pit has it easy because they don't need to do conditioning for a tough show, nor do they have to clean drill and stuff like that. However, sometimes the pit music is pretty hard (I'm in guard now, but I go to the pit for one song and I was given some pretty difficult bongo parts) but I think the worst part is the pushing the equipment. Not only is it heavy and we have to go long distances, but last year I felt left out because everyone who marched got to do their cheer and be together and feel like a team, but pit is just full of outsiders, trying to set up all our equipment as fast as we can during competitions and performances. At least that's how it is in my school's band.

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Alchemic Kraehe

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:32 am


Can I just point something out?

The drumline is made up of the front ensemble/pit and the battery. It's not drumline and pit. My apologies if this bugs anyone. It's a pet-peeve of mine.

MOVING ALONG

I highly disagree with your description of bass drums. I march bass drum. Truly, a lot of people believe my instrument is easy to march, but each sub section on the battery has their challenges. If one person on the bassline messes up on a run, we're all thrown off, and it sounds bad, and people give us weird looks when that happens.

Now, obviously you're on pit. At my school, the pit learns the battery and pit warmups, and the battery does the same for the pit. Battery also had to learn how to use four mallets. Honestly, each section has their share of challenges. One section does not have it harder than the other. I could never learn the mallet parts the pit does for the show. Auxiliary percussion maybe, but mallets, no. However, I know mallet players who can't even make sense of my bass music.

Even so, our pit and battery are really nice to each other. We're all one big happy drumline family. c:
PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:38 pm


Alchemic Kraehe
Can I just point something out?

The drumline is made up of the front ensemble/pit and the battery. It's not drumline and pit. My apologies if this bugs anyone. It's a pet-peeve of mine.

MOVING ALONG

I highly disagree with your description of bass drums. I march bass drum. Truly, a lot of people believe my instrument is easy to march, but each sub section on the battery has their challenges. If one person on the bassline messes up on a run, we're all thrown off, and it sounds bad, and people give us weird looks when that happens.

Now, obviously you're on pit. At my school, the pit learns the battery and pit warmups, and the battery does the same for the pit. Battery also had to learn how to use four mallets. Honestly, each section has their share of challenges. One section does not have it harder than the other. I could never learn the mallet parts the pit does for the show. Auxiliary percussion maybe, but mallets, no. However, I know mallet players who can't even make sense of my bass music.

Even so, our pit and battery are really nice to each other. We're all one big happy drumline family. c:


Everything said in here is exactly what I was going to say.

It's the battery and the pit.
Not the DRUMLINE and the pit.
Pit and battery are the drumline.

Also - same on the bass part. Basses are so much more technical than people give them credit for. YOU try getting five people to play the EXACT same stick heights, exact same tone, timing, quick runs, fives, fours, threes, all of that...and then tell me we have it easy.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:19 pm


My drumline battery started a feud with everyone. I've actually done one season of winter drumline on xylophone (before the program got cut) and playing that music was awesome. I've also played bass and tenor in the drumline, each for one season.

Everything takes the same amount of skill. Bases don't deserve the crap they get for being an "easy" instrument to play. Concert bass does, 'cause all you get is quarter notes at most, but marching bass is more difficult. You rely on the other bass players and have to be perfectly in sync with them, but you can't listen to their part because you might miss your part. You literally have to memorize 8 minutes of...

...+a.........e+a....2.....e..a......4+

It's a lot harder than it looks. xd
PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:46 pm


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In the words of my percussion teacher, Mr. Blair, I would like to say this;

"The band is like a plain cake, then the drumline comes in a screws everything over with a ton of icing, finally there is the pit who puts the sprinkles and designs on top."

I tried out for tenors freshman year. I made it, however I was a stick of a girl and I could not hold them. They moved me to bass drum and me and a senior battled it out for the spot. Of course the senior won. However, that made me a very well-rounded person for pit.

In pit I tried out against ten people for timpani. I beat all those sorry, miserable excuses for percussionists. xD

Timpani...I soon found out, was a b***h to learn. I learned, became bad a** at it, and gained respect from all grades. Our drumline (pit&line) are like a family. Except for people on the rack and bells. xD

ONE CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT THE OTHER~~~~

But timpani is one of the most difficult instruments to play. You let me know otherwise...and you're in for a flaming, bitchy, debate. biggrin


Sorry but this is so wrong. the Timpani is one of the easier instrumants. Its like putting Tenors and bass together. Its simple. the hardest is to play mallets (4-sticking) i can prove this from the simple fact I could play Timpani before i make it to high school, while mallets, i still haven't quite mastered. and next yr i will be a senior. and as for the pit vs drumline, i can proudly say that the drumline is better and more important. half the time the pit doesn't even show up for practice while we have it every single day of the week. Im sorry but its the hard truth. We are the most judged at competition, the ones who work the hardest and to top it off we have to actually march with our instrument not just push them down a hill and be done. Finally we get the blame for everything. if the pit cant keep tempo, we get the blame, if the band cant keep tempo, we get the blame, and finally if the pit messes up, its usually not even noticed because the band and line play over the pit. I play Tenors during marching season and during concert season I beat out all the pit players for Symphonic band. Now some say all we have to do is get rhythems. But u dont think about how hard they are plus having to march doing them plus spreading them out between 5 drums plus matching identically with the other tenor player and rest of drumline plus doing all this at *ol* note=160 so now roll all that up and youve got my challenge lol DRUMLINE IS BETTER

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:45 pm


i wouldnt have any idea xD
i march in a military marching band ( no pit/tenors/guard )
PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:51 pm


Most of the people in our pit tend to be nicer and less arrogant than our battery members. If I were to play percussion, I would probably prefer being in the pit than the battery, but then again, I wouldn't get to march! =P

[Disclaimer: I only said the battery members are arrogant in MY band, not all battery members. :] ]

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:14 pm


When I was in school, the Pit/Front Ensemble and the Battery actually got along really well. Of course there were times we'd snap at each other for stupid stuff ..after like a stressful day or a long practice. However, those were relative rare because we were usually the ones trying to keep everyone else happy in our werid, maybe sick, stupid, slap-stick kind of way. That and the field commander was always helping out too.

I'm kind of the quiet observent type and I got along with everyone pretty much. Now from my experience as a Pit Member, it wasn't really the Battery that got on us. It was the rest of the band. The other band sections would kind of complain or be hard on us because we got to just stand there. Although they all know what we have to do. We have to constantly stand there (unless moving from and to instruments), memorize the music first, listen back, look forward, perform, move equip quickly/set up and sometimes we did have to march. That's just normal stuff too. There were other things. Well at least in my school and we were pretty small lol. Each section had it hard I think. Just don't get why we had to be difficult with one another.

Everyone in the band is a team player or at least should be. So we should support each other not dissing each other,
PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:53 pm


To be perfectly honest the hardest instrument to play in the entire Drumline (Pit included) is Bass Drum 2! Curse you bass drum 2... If the bass drums were a multi layered pie Basses 1 and 4 are the crust three is the smaller lair of filling Bass 2 is the multi fruit syrup filling that holds the whole thing together. It doesn't matter how many bass drums you have 2 is always the hardest. Harder than Timpani, and honestly harder then multi mallet bells. All you Bass drum 2 players know what I'm talking about. When you are bass 2 you are the beats ...E...A...+...A...E...A...E+A... 3... E...A...E........E....A...+...E..A..E..+A..E

IT SUCKS!

To play but when you are listening and it is good you like *heavenly chorus* "Ahhhh... nice..."

And to be perfectly honest Pit is just hard to hear. Wether your marching or in the audiance the most of pit you'll hear is the Cymbols the wood blocks and the pick propain tanks they beat on. And some times the extra stuff like rain sticks and metal sheets. Other than that you have to have microphones and amps to hear them. Meanwhile when your in drumline, you have the issue of EVERYONE hearing you. Even when you play soft your still noticable which means that you have to be extra careful when playing. Drum line has it harded. I don't care if you have to push instruments you also get the trailers that hold them. You just have to make sure they don't fall off. Now If you had to carry the instruments then maybe I would listen to your complaints.

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errantIy

PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 8:29 pm


In my band, we have a Drumline. There is a pit and a battery, yes, but we are one section with one section leader and it'll never change.

My band buddy puts my year in pit as "a year in a fairly forgettable part of the field" and I think he's right. People ignore pit and the drum major because they stay on the sidelines while all of the interesting action moves on the field. However, the drum major is recognized as an extremely important member, thus leaving purely the pit on the sidelines.

I've never experienced animosity between pit and battery. I love my entire section and I know they'll all continue to love me no matter what I play.

I love hauling pit instruments around. I recently had to take our biggest instrument to another school 2 miles away, walking on sidewalks and crosswalks. Members of other sections helped and commented in a positive way about the pit's dedication to carry our instruments back and forth from the field every day.

Our pit doubles as a cymbal line, so we march to and from the football field at every home game.

When we have away games, battery helps to load and unload the trailer. Our equipment manager is currently a bass drum and takes care of all of the pit instruments.

If it matters to someone, our section leader is usually a snare. This is the choice of our percussion instructor and band director, not a reflection on the importance of battery versus pit.

I love the entire percussion section. I am currently in pit but my goal is to become a bass drum next season.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:57 pm


As was mentioned before, the assumption about marching bass being simple is frighteningly ridiculous. Just, ugh... mad
I was also taught that the drumline was pit and battery. However, the battery has lately been declaring themselves "the drumline". But there not that good anyway. stare Anyway, some (most from my perspective 8D) pits suck, as do some batteries. I dunno about you, but most of my competitions still have caption awards, along with Best Percussion or Drumline--battery and pit. Both sections have to carry some musical weight. Both sections suffer if one sucks. Therefore, it is important for the two to be tight, unlike our own...
Notice how I'm not generalizing based upon my school's drumline. Even though I say my pit could pwn my battery, I'm not saying that pit in general pwns battery in general. I think this overgeneralization's the problem here; even though some of us may have been in only one section or band, some "walking in someone else's shoes" might make this debate less childish.
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the Timpani is one of the easier instrumants. Its like putting Tenors and bass together. Its simple

How many different notes did the most difficult piece you played have? Four? Try having four drums, but six different notes one after the other. It's not impossible, but it requires more than banging on a drum (Do you even know how to do that properly...?).
Pardon that...
Anywho, from my limited experience, I think that--audience-wise--an epic pit (epic pits don't play, they perform) is a bit more important than an epic battery. Judge-wise, however, I think having an epic battery is much more important than having an epic pit (Just shows who the judges pay attention to. DX)
So, since the world is all messed-up, I must say that the battery wins. They'd better not ruin it for the rest of us, though. stressed

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:53 pm


Hey hey hey, I've play in both pit and drumline.
I'd say both are definitely hard, but in different ways. I definitely get pissed of when someone in one says the other is easy. ("oh lucky you're in *insert section here* you don't hafta do anything this season!" OH MY FREAKING GOD)

Drumline is harder than pit in these ways:
-Those drums are heavy. And you carry them on your shoulders with a harness. THEY ARE HEAVY. (I still need I chiropractor)
-Marching is also harder than it looks. You have to have really good balance and everything.
-It might not be notes, just rhythms but the music is STILL hard. And try marching and playing it right AT THE SAME TIME.
-You spend all day outside either in the freezing cold for winter season or the boiling heat for fall season (which summer band camp is part of)

Pit is harder than drumline in these ways:
-You have to hit the right notes without looking down
-TECHNIQUE TECHNIQUE blah blah blah... (Especially with four mallets. We don't want our mallets flopping around hitting wrong notes)
-You have to stay late after practice to clean up, and also push around heavy instruments
-With timpani and auxiliary percussion, it might seem easy as heck, but it takes a lot of counting and you have to cover a lot of distance with your arms to get to the right place on time. Also playing mallets with crazy runs and cymbal crashes and stuff.

That's not all there is for either of them, but those are some of the main points. I mean, from my experience, both are about even. I mean, I say we've just all got a case of "the grass is greener and easier to mow on the other side" with the pit/drumline conflict.

I think what we've got to look at is how both of the sections work together, I mean, would a band be the same without them? And they do all of the music for winter percussion season without winds! I say that the whole argument is just a ridiculous waste of time. I've played lots of instruments other than percussion too, and those are just as hard. They're just DIFFERENT.

Also, as far as just general awesomeness, I think that the pit and the drumline are both really cool. I mean, they both have certain traditions, and inside jokes, and really cool people.


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In response to Shannonigans_x:
Shannonigans_x
Bass players to me have it easy.... you have fairly simple rythms and the only thing that poses any effort is counting which beats you play on.


This statement just isn't fair. I played bass my first season, and it was very hard. I mean, my band is a very... good band (I don't want to brag, but our writers don't like the sound of the word "mediocre"), but bass drummers have a lot of hard stuff. Some basslines DO have that trait, but not all. YOU try playing sextuplets at 210 and then say bass is easy. And I've NEVER had a "pass the bread and butter" rhythm (don't know the technical term crying ) in pit out of the two seasons I've done it.

Now, I think that overgeneralization about bass sounds like it's coming from someone who has played concert bass drum before. I may be wrong, but from my experiences, concert bass drum is NOTHING like marching bass drum. You should try playing it some day. Maybe you'd be challenged, or maybe your bass line is a 36 measure rest kinda bassline. I dunno.

Anyway, for your whole post, I agree, obviously that both are equally challenged and important.


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Horse lady
but pit is just full of outsiders, trying to set up all our equipment as fast as we can during competitions and performances.


I know exactly how you feel about the injury. That's why I did pit in the first place, and I ended up liking it. But the pit IS excluded from the band. And I don't necessarily think it's all the marchers' fault. I mean, the pit (and this is all based off of my experiences) seems to me to separate themselves a bit from the rest.
I mean, drumline in my band have to warm down with an exercise and carry drums back to the band room and that's not to mention when drumline gets cleanup duty, but they still participate in group activities with the winds.
When I was in pit, they'd leave announcements when it was time for the group huddle, so we could go clean up, so when we were halfway to the bandroom, the marchers were ust getting out of the group meeting. Then members of the pit would try to complain about how the marching section(s) assigned to help us for that practice weren't helping us, and I'd just think "well that's because we didn't give them the chance to help!"
I mean, pit does get ignored a lot, but we also just don't try very hard to be part of the band as a family.


In Response To Alchemic Kraehe:
Alchemic Kraehe
The drumline is made up of the front ensemble/pit and the battery. It's not drumline and pit. My apologies if this bugs anyone. It's a pet-peeve of mine.


I'm sorry about me calling battery "drumline" the whole post. It's just that nobody in my whole school uses the word battery to refer to anything but their phones. Things are different from school to school.

+++ I also loved the rest of your post, though. Marching bass is some hard shiz, especially when you get weird syncopated middle parts. XD


ALRIGHT ONE LAST RANT (auxiliary percussion, aka "rack")

This winter season, I'm playing rack for the first time in my whole career this winter, and though our school is known for their history of having one person cover, like, 3 people's worth of rack during winter season, I think rack players deserve a round of applause for being able to play that many instruments at once.
In the beginning, when the music is still developing, it's almost just all rest, but when you get further into the season, you get lost trying to figure out how you're gonna get the suspended cymbal for a measure, then crash AND sizzle on one, then switch mallets for a bass drum on two, then get all the way back to your trap table and pick up the triangle stick AND the suspended cymbal mallets for the crazy triangle parts on all upbeats starting on count three of the same measure then you hafta do that cymbal roll with no time to spare to drop the triangle mallets, then off to the china cymbal... all at 182 bpm.
Some schools have not so much to their rack, and have more people doing it too, and our school's rack part is a LOT easier for fall season, but the rackies deserve some sort of props.
(In our school, there is this family that has three of the siblings in band, and all of them have been on rack. The oldest is known for just being a great musician, the middle is known for BUILDING things to make it so that he was physically capable of getting to the parts on time [and for that time he threw up next to the synth during a full run and kept playing, but that doesn't matter O_o] and the youngest had to cover bells AND rack during winter season.)


Soooo... yeah. Those are my opinions. The end.

*note: i did not mean to bash on anyone in any way. everyone is great.
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