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 Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:21 pm
Divinus Cruor I am not going to discuss this with someone who apparently doesn't know a thing about classification.Now, what you, Grave, are saying makes more sense, since Heavy/power are real sub-genres. However, Therion is gothic metal, not pure, of course, but its all gothic based. Said by themselves when they came to Chihuahua, and said by many different metal magazines I've bought.[/lastpostaboutit] That is completely uncalled for, and not too bright coming from someone who said Power having harsh vocals makes it not Power. rolleyes As for the rest of the post, The band themselves, and Magazines are a lot of times just as bad as wiki. A lot of them call stuff like Trivium, and Lamb of God Thrash, but they are definitely NOT Thrash. And to be honest, I don't really see how there is a "Gothic base", a lot of the goth I heard is somewhat based in other genres, much like the way Folk is. And to be honest the only thing really "Goth" about them is the vocals, if you're not satisfied with just using Symphonic alone, just call it Symphonic Heavy.
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:22 pm
My Hollow I don't have to deal with it because they aren't gothic. Their early material was death, and then they moved onto Symph. Which is why their thread is located in Other Metal Genres, and not in Goth. Whether or not you agree Symph is a sub genre or style, Digital, the fact remains as this: Therion is NOT gothic metal. I agree they are not Gothic but they aren't straight symphonic because that wouldn't make much sense. They do have some Gothic influences though.
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:43 pm
uugh my head , so much discussions , what was this thread crated for , ooh yeah vocals , now got damet if u r gonna disscus the genre of a band again go to other thread . i dont kno therion and i cant tell if they r goth or not .
and continuing the thread purpose , i prefer semi opera vocals like nightwish
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:52 pm
Divinus Cruor I am not going to discuss this with someone who apparently doesn't know a thing about classification. Now, what you, Grave, are saying makes more sense, since Heavy/power are real sub-genres. However, Therion is gothic metal, not pure, of course, but its all gothic based. Said by themselves when they came to Chihuahua, and said by many different metal magazines I've bought.[/lastpostaboutit] dude. chill. chiiiiiiillllllll. is it really that big of a deal? no. definitely not worth insulting a guild member over.
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:55 pm
Gravechylde Divinus Cruor I am not going to discuss this with someone who apparently doesn't know a thing about classification.Now, what you, Grave, are saying makes more sense, since Heavy/power are real sub-genres. However, Therion is gothic metal, not pure, of course, but its all gothic based. Said by themselves when they came to Chihuahua, and said by many different metal magazines I've bought.[/lastpostaboutit] That is completely uncalled for, and not too bright coming from someone who said Power having harsh vocals makes it not Power. rolleyes As for the rest of the post, The band themselves, and Magazines are a lot of times just as bad as wiki. A lot of them call stuff like Trivium, and Lamb of God Thrash, but they are definitely NOT Thrash. And to be honest, I don't really see how there is a "Gothic base", a lot of the goth I heard is somewhat based in other genres, much like the way Folk is. And to be honest the only thing really "Goth" about them is the vocals, if you're not satisfied with just using Symphonic alone, just call it Symphonic Heavy. It is goth based. I can't make you change your mind, and to be honest I don't intend to, though. "I don't really see how there is a "Gothic base": Their tunning, their symphonic arrangements are played in minor tunes, such as A minor and B minor, oftenly used by Mozart in his more obscure plays.
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:01 pm
MegaTherion777 Divinus Cruor I am not going to discuss this with someone who apparently doesn't know a thing about classification. Now, what you, Grave, are saying makes more sense, since Heavy/power are real sub-genres. However, Therion is gothic metal, not pure, of course, but its all gothic based. Said by themselves when they came to Chihuahua, and said by many different metal magazines I've bought.[/lastpostaboutit] dude. chill. chiiiiiiillllllll. is it really that big of a deal? no. definitely not worth insulting a guild member over. What? Oh I am sorry man, I didn't say that with an insultive purpose. I apologize.
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:10 pm
Divinus Cruor Gravechylde Divinus Cruor I am not going to discuss this with someone who apparently doesn't know a thing about classification.Now, what you, Grave, are saying makes more sense, since Heavy/power are real sub-genres. However, Therion is gothic metal, not pure, of course, but its all gothic based. Said by themselves when they came to Chihuahua, and said by many different metal magazines I've bought.[/lastpostaboutit] That is completely uncalled for, and not too bright coming from someone who said Power having harsh vocals makes it not Power. rolleyes As for the rest of the post, The band themselves, and Magazines are a lot of times just as bad as wiki. A lot of them call stuff like Trivium, and Lamb of God Thrash, but they are definitely NOT Thrash. And to be honest, I don't really see how there is a "Gothic base", a lot of the goth I heard is somewhat based in other genres, much like the way Folk is. And to be honest the only thing really "Goth" about them is the vocals, if you're not satisfied with just using Symphonic alone, just call it Symphonic Heavy. It is goth based. I can't make you change your mind, and to be honest I don't intend to, though. "I don't really see how there is a "Gothic base": Their tunning, their symphonic arrangements are played in minor tunes, such as A minor and B minor, oftenly used by Mozart in his more obscure plays. Tuning? There is NO way tuning changes genre, otherwise sludge and Death would be the same genre. And I don't see how being Symphonic matters. Bands like Poisonblack, Paradise Lost, Sentenced, and Type O Negative, don't seem all that Symphonic to me.
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:11 pm
Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 dude. chill. chiiiiiiillllllll. is it really that big of a deal? no. definitely not worth insulting a guild member over. What? Oh I am sorry man, I didn't say that with an insultive purpose. I apologize. How is saying she "obviously can't determine genre", not an insult? neutral
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:31 pm
Gravechylde Divinus Cruor MegaTherion777 dude. chill. chiiiiiiillllllll. is it really that big of a deal? no. definitely not worth insulting a guild member over. What? Oh I am sorry man, I didn't say that with an insultive purpose. I apologize. How is saying she "obviously can't determine genre", not an insult? neutral overreacting?
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:34 pm
Gravechylde Divinus Cruor Gravechylde Divinus Cruor I am not going to discuss this with someone who apparently doesn't know a thing about classification.Now, what you, Grave, are saying makes more sense, since Heavy/power are real sub-genres. However, Therion is gothic metal, not pure, of course, but its all gothic based. Said by themselves when they came to Chihuahua, and said by many different metal magazines I've bought.[/lastpostaboutit] That is completely uncalled for, and not too bright coming from someone who said Power having harsh vocals makes it not Power. rolleyes As for the rest of the post, The band themselves, and Magazines are a lot of times just as bad as wiki. A lot of them call stuff like Trivium, and Lamb of God Thrash, but they are definitely NOT Thrash. And to be honest, I don't really see how there is a "Gothic base", a lot of the goth I heard is somewhat based in other genres, much like the way Folk is. And to be honest the only thing really "Goth" about them is the vocals, if you're not satisfied with just using Symphonic alone, just call it Symphonic Heavy. It is goth based. I can't make you change your mind, and to be honest I don't intend to, though. "I don't really see how there is a "Gothic base": Their tunning, their symphonic arrangements are played in minor tunes, such as A minor and B minor, oftenly used by Mozart in his more obscure plays. Tuning? There is NO way tuning changes genre, otherwise sludge and Death would be the same genre. And I don't see how being Symphonic matters. Bands like Poisonblack, Paradise Lost, Sentenced, and Type O Negative, don't seem all that Symphonic to me. I didn't say being symphonic makes them gothic. I said the way they play the arragements do. Look dude, we both know you will NEVER agree with me on this, even if your opinion was the same as mine, so just drop it.
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:45 pm
Divinus Cruor Gravechylde Divinus Cruor Gravechylde Divinus Cruor I am not going to discuss this with someone who apparently doesn't know a thing about classification.Now, what you, Grave, are saying makes more sense, since Heavy/power are real sub-genres. However, Therion is gothic metal, not pure, of course, but its all gothic based. Said by themselves when they came to Chihuahua, and said by many different metal magazines I've bought.[/lastpostaboutit] That is completely uncalled for, and not too bright coming from someone who said Power having harsh vocals makes it not Power. rolleyes As for the rest of the post, The band themselves, and Magazines are a lot of times just as bad as wiki. A lot of them call stuff like Trivium, and Lamb of God Thrash, but they are definitely NOT Thrash. And to be honest, I don't really see how there is a "Gothic base", a lot of the goth I heard is somewhat based in other genres, much like the way Folk is. And to be honest the only thing really "Goth" about them is the vocals, if you're not satisfied with just using Symphonic alone, just call it Symphonic Heavy. It is goth based. I can't make you change your mind, and to be honest I don't intend to, though. "I don't really see how there is a "Gothic base": Their tunning, their symphonic arrangements are played in minor tunes, such as A minor and B minor, oftenly used by Mozart in his more obscure plays. Tuning? There is NO way tuning changes genre, otherwise sludge and Death would be the same genre. And I don't see how being Symphonic matters. Bands like Poisonblack, Paradise Lost, Sentenced, and Type O Negative, don't seem all that Symphonic to me. I didn't say being symphonic makes them gothic. I said the way they play the arragements do. Look dude, we both know you will NEVER agree with me on this, even if your opinion was the same as mine, so just drop it. But you said that the arrangements were used by Mozart, wouldn't that make it Neo-Classical, not Gothic?
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:55 pm
Gravechylde Divinus Cruor Gravechylde Divinus Cruor Gravechylde Divinus Cruor I am not going to discuss this with someone who apparently doesn't know a thing about classification.Now, what you, Grave, are saying makes more sense, since Heavy/power are real sub-genres. However, Therion is gothic metal, not pure, of course, but its all gothic based. Said by themselves when they came to Chihuahua, and said by many different metal magazines I've bought.[/lastpostaboutit] That is completely uncalled for, and not too bright coming from someone who said Power having harsh vocals makes it not Power. rolleyes As for the rest of the post, The band themselves, and Magazines are a lot of times just as bad as wiki. A lot of them call stuff like Trivium, and Lamb of God Thrash, but they are definitely NOT Thrash. And to be honest, I don't really see how there is a "Gothic base", a lot of the goth I heard is somewhat based in other genres, much like the way Folk is. And to be honest the only thing really "Goth" about them is the vocals, if you're not satisfied with just using Symphonic alone, just call it Symphonic Heavy. It is goth based. I can't make you change your mind, and to be honest I don't intend to, though. "I don't really see how there is a "Gothic base": Their tunning, their symphonic arrangements are played in minor tunes, such as A minor and B minor, oftenly used by Mozart in his more obscure plays. Tuning? There is NO way tuning changes genre, otherwise sludge and Death would be the same genre. And I don't see how being Symphonic matters. Bands like Poisonblack, Paradise Lost, Sentenced, and Type O Negative, don't seem all that Symphonic to me. I didn't say being symphonic makes them gothic. I said the way they play the arragements do. Look dude, we both know you will NEVER agree with me on this, even if your opinion was the same as mine, so just drop it. But you said that the arrangements were used by Mozart, wouldn't that make it Neo-Classical, not Gothic? Neo-Classical metal? I think you got the wrong definition of it. Or do I? I thought Neo-classical was kinda like Malmsteen or Narnia. Most gothic music (not only metal) uses Mozart-like arrangements, specially from his most obscure plays (like lacrymosa, I bet you've heard that by him).
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:02 pm
My understanding of Neo-classical, is that it's Classical arrangements used in non-classical genres. And I'm not saying it's just "Neo-classical Metal".
I'm sure I've heard stuff from him, but I won't recognize too many of them by name.
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:07 pm
Gravechylde My understanding of Neo-classical, is that it's Classical arrangements used in non-classical genres. And I'm not saying it's just "Neo-classical Metal".
I'm sure I've heard stuff from him, but I won't recognize too many of them by name. Oh! yes, okay. well yeah, neo-classical is the new form of classical. I didn't notice you weren't referring just to metal.
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:00 pm
Moving. on.
Doom Metal:
I cannot stand Trad doom vocals. It's the only reason why I do not listen to trad doom, like I said before if I can't get past the vocals- I can't listen to the band.
Funeral Doom vocals are probably my favorite style of vocals right next to Death grunts (the very low/deep kind). Nothing better than listening to a band like Ahab or Amort. The vocals alone are worth any price.
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