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 Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:04 pm
Digital Malevolence Gravechylde Digital Malevolence Gravechylde Digital Malevolence So its not doom?...bah humbug. Well, most say that it is, but it really is different. So Melodic Death Metal seems way different from Brutal Death yet they are both Death. But those bands (for the most part), are still firmly rooted in Death, but Sludge can easily be said to have emerged from Hardcore, more than Doom. Same can go for Melodic Death and Brutal Death actually it did it so much they now have a genre Deathcore. Deathcore is really just metalcore, with death metal influences.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:06 pm
Gravechylde Digital Malevolence Gravechylde Digital Malevolence Gravechylde Digital Malevolence So its not doom?...bah humbug. Well, most say that it is, but it really is different. So Melodic Death Metal seems way different from Brutal Death yet they are both Death. But those bands (for the most part), are still firmly rooted in Death, but Sludge can easily be said to have emerged from Hardcore, more than Doom. Same can go for Melodic Death and Brutal Death actually it did it so much they now have a genre Deathcore. Deathcore is really just metalcore, with death metal influences. For most bands yes, but there are plenty that seem to be more Death then metalcore.
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Digital Malevolence Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:08 pm
I totally agree with you, Grave. Abut trad being True doom. Funeral sounds just like a pig slaughterhouse recording played in slow speed.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:10 pm
Divinus Cruor I totally agree with you, Grave. Abut trad being True doom. Funeral sounds just like a pig slaughterhouse recording played in slow speed. I wouldn't say that, but I find Death/Doom and (to a lesser extent) Funeral to be progressions from Death rather than Doom.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:12 pm
Digital Malevolence Gravechylde Digital Malevolence Gravechylde Digital Malevolence So Melodic Death Metal seems way different from Brutal Death yet they are both Death. But those bands (for the most part), are still firmly rooted in Death, but Sludge can easily be said to have emerged from Hardcore, more than Doom. Same can go for Melodic Death and Brutal Death actually it did it so much they now have a genre Deathcore. Deathcore is really just metalcore, with death metal influences. For most bands yes, but there are plenty that seem to be more Death then metalcore. But that's a mixed genre, I really don't see Sludge as a mixed genre.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:13 pm
Gravechylde Digital Malevolence Gravechylde Digital Malevolence Gravechylde Digital Malevolence So Melodic Death Metal seems way different from Brutal Death yet they are both Death. But those bands (for the most part), are still firmly rooted in Death, but Sludge can easily be said to have emerged from Hardcore, more than Doom. Same can go for Melodic Death and Brutal Death actually it did it so much they now have a genre Deathcore. Deathcore is really just metalcore, with death metal influences. For most bands yes, but there are plenty that seem to be more Death then metalcore. But that's a mixed genre, I really don't see Sludge as a mixed genre. Hmm I see....I love Sludge. heart
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:20 pm
Gravechylde Divinus Cruor I totally agree with you, Grave. Abut trad being True doom. Funeral sounds just like a pig slaughterhouse recording played in slow speed. I wouldn't say that, but I find Death/Doom and (to a lesser extent) Funeral to be progressions from Death rather than Doom. No no, I agree. My last statement was just a side note opinion.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:22 pm
Gravechylde Divinus Cruor I totally agree with you, Grave. Abut trad being True doom. Funeral sounds just like a pig slaughterhouse recording played in slow speed. I wouldn't say that, but I find Death/Doom and (to a lesser extent) Funeral to be progressions from Death rather than Doom. Hm, Interesting point, but I disagree. I can see where you may make a comparrison with death when dealing with Funeral. But I find that funeral has more to do with doom, obviously, than death. Saying Funeral isn't true, is splitting hairs. Think of it this way, Trad came first, I'm not denying that Trad is a pure form of what Doom started out to be. But things change and evolve, (into the better blaugh ) and even look at metal as a whole. If you want to be an eltist about this, you can go so far in to say that you listen to True Metal. BUT, that's not right is it? Why deny funeral it's origins? It's obviously very doomy, I mean heck, When I think doom, I think of funeral. Always have- even from the beginning. It sums up the genre, at least to me, quite nicely. Yeah, so what if not everyone can appreciate its style and sound. Doesn't make the genre worse, gives me a bigger appreciation for it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:23 pm
Divinus Cruor Gravechylde Divinus Cruor I totally agree with you, Grave. Abut trad being True doom. Funeral sounds just like a pig slaughterhouse recording played in slow speed. I wouldn't say that, but I find Death/Doom and (to a lesser extent) Funeral to be progressions from Death rather than Doom. No no, I agree. My last statement was just a side note opinion. Stoner is a bit harder though, since quite a few are doom, but others aren't.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:31 pm
Gravechylde Divinus Cruor Gravechylde Divinus Cruor I totally agree with you, Grave. Abut trad being True doom. Funeral sounds just like a pig slaughterhouse recording played in slow speed. I wouldn't say that, but I find Death/Doom and (to a lesser extent) Funeral to be progressions from Death rather than Doom. No no, I agree. My last statement was just a side note opinion. Stoner is a bit harder though, since quite a few are doom, but others aren't. Might be. As you know I am not that good when it comes to doom, I am kinda stariting. But yes, when I first heard Funeral I immediatly thought 'this is death metal.. only slow'
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:35 pm
My Hollow Gravechylde Divinus Cruor I totally agree with you, Grave. Abut trad being True doom. Funeral sounds just like a pig slaughterhouse recording played in slow speed. I wouldn't say that, but I find Death/Doom and (to a lesser extent) Funeral to be progressions from Death rather than Doom. Hm, Interesting point, but I disagree. I can see where you may make a comparrison with death when dealing with Funeral. But I find that funeral has more to do with doom, obviously, than death. Saying Funeral isn't true, is splitting hairs. Think of it this way, Trad came first, I'm not denying that Trad is a pure form of what Doom started out to be. But things change and evolve, (into the better blaugh ) and even look at metal as a whole. If you want to be an eltist about this, you can go so far in to say that you listen to True Metal. BUT, that's not right is it? Why deny funeral it's origins? It's obviously very doomy, I mean heck, When I think doom, I think of funeral. Always have- even from the beginning. It sums up the genre, at least to me, quite nicely. Yeah, so what if not everyone can appreciate its style and sound. Doesn't make the genre worse, gives me a bigger appreciation for it. As for Funeral, I said to a lesser extent, because it is a progression from Death/Doom which is a progression from Death. It does lose most of it's Death roots, but it only has minor (if any) influence from Trad. Doom. Yes, it is doomy as in the word "doom", but the music itself doesn't have too much in common with the sound that "doom metal" has. As for origins, I don't see Funeral as evolving from Doom Metal, it does have the aesthetics of Doom Metal, slow tempo, dark atmosphere, but the music itself sounds significantly different from Doom Metal. And saying that it isn't doom, isn't denying the origins, Thrash Metal has Hardcore as an origin, but it's metal not Hardcore, and I've never seen anyone deny that Thrash did get a lot from Hardcore.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:37 pm
Divinus Cruor Gravechylde Divinus Cruor Gravechylde Divinus Cruor I totally agree with you, Grave. Abut trad being True doom. Funeral sounds just like a pig slaughterhouse recording played in slow speed. I wouldn't say that, but I find Death/Doom and (to a lesser extent) Funeral to be progressions from Death rather than Doom. No no, I agree. My last statement was just a side note opinion. Stoner is a bit harder though, since quite a few are doom, but others aren't. Might be. As you know I am not that good when it comes to doom, I am kinda stariting. But yes, when I first heard Funeral I immediatly thought 'this is death metal.. only slow' Yeah, Electric Wizard are definitely Doom, whereas Bongzilla for instance has more in common with Sludge than Doom.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:43 pm
Gravechylde My Hollow Gravechylde Divinus Cruor I totally agree with you, Grave. Abut trad being True doom. Funeral sounds just like a pig slaughterhouse recording played in slow speed. I wouldn't say that, but I find Death/Doom and (to a lesser extent) Funeral to be progressions from Death rather than Doom. Hm, Interesting point, but I disagree. I can see where you may make a comparrison with death when dealing with Funeral. But I find that funeral has more to do with doom, obviously, than death. Saying Funeral isn't true, is splitting hairs. Think of it this way, Trad came first, I'm not denying that Trad is a pure form of what Doom started out to be. But things change and evolve, (into the better blaugh ) and even look at metal as a whole. If you want to be an eltist about this, you can go so far in to say that you listen to True Metal. BUT, that's not right is it? Why deny funeral it's origins? It's obviously very doomy, I mean heck, When I think doom, I think of funeral. Always have- even from the beginning. It sums up the genre, at least to me, quite nicely. Yeah, so what if not everyone can appreciate its style and sound. Doesn't make the genre worse, gives me a bigger appreciation for it. As for Funeral, I said to a lesser extent, because it is a progression from Death/Doom which is a progression from Death. It does lose most of it's Death roots, but it only has minor (if any) influence from Trad. Doom. Yes, it is doomy as in the word "doom", but the music itself doesn't have too much in common with the sound that "doom metal" has. As for origins, I don't see Funeral as evolving from Doom Metal, it does have the aesthetics of Doom Metal, slow tempo, dark atmosphere, but the music itself sounds significantly different from Doom Metal. And saying that it isn't doom, isn't denying the origins, Thrash Metal has Hardcore as an origin, but it's metal not Hardcore, and I've never seen anyone deny that Thrash did get a lot from Hardcore. I just have a personal issue denying the fact that Funeral isn't "doom". Look at some of the other sub genres, they are seemingly less doom than funeral.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:48 pm
My Hollow Gravechylde As for Funeral, I said to a lesser extent, because it is a progression from Death/Doom which is a progression from Death. It does lose most of it's Death roots, but it only has minor (if any) influence from Trad. Doom. Yes, it is doomy as in the word "doom", but the music itself doesn't have too much in common with the sound that "doom metal" has. As for origins, I don't see Funeral as evolving from Doom Metal, it does have the aesthetics of Doom Metal, slow tempo, dark atmosphere, but the music itself sounds significantly different from Doom Metal. And saying that it isn't doom, isn't denying the origins, Thrash Metal has Hardcore as an origin, but it's metal not Hardcore, and I've never seen anyone deny that Thrash did get a lot from Hardcore. I just have a personal issue denying the fact that Funeral isn't "doom". Look at some of the other sub genres, they are seemingly less doom than funeral. I'm not trying to say that there's no Doom in it, or that it isn't influenced by Doom. I'm just saying that the foundation of the genre is not that of Doom Metal.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:54 pm
Gravechylde My Hollow Gravechylde As for Funeral, I said to a lesser extent, because it is a progression from Death/Doom which is a progression from Death. It does lose most of it's Death roots, but it only has minor (if any) influence from Trad. Doom. Yes, it is doomy as in the word "doom", but the music itself doesn't have too much in common with the sound that "doom metal" has. As for origins, I don't see Funeral as evolving from Doom Metal, it does have the aesthetics of Doom Metal, slow tempo, dark atmosphere, but the music itself sounds significantly different from Doom Metal. And saying that it isn't doom, isn't denying the origins, Thrash Metal has Hardcore as an origin, but it's metal not Hardcore, and I've never seen anyone deny that Thrash did get a lot from Hardcore. I just have a personal issue denying the fact that Funeral isn't "doom". Look at some of the other sub genres, they are seemingly less doom than funeral. I'm not trying to say that there's no Doom in it, or that it isn't influenced by Doom. I'm just saying that the foundation of the genre is not that of Doom Metal. Do you mean Trad doom by Doom metal?
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