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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:48 am
The thing is, being Dutch, German, French, and/or Irish is COOL. I should know, I'm part Dutch myself, and part German. I'm often mistaken for Irish, too, because I have red hair (not that people see it anymore because it's covered, but I used to always get asked whether I was Irish or Scottish, since most people can't imagine another source of red hair). These nations are proud nations who have contributed much to the world. Just because a given heritage is common doesn't make it less cool.
In fact, it can be reasonably argued that the fact that they're plentiful is a pretty fair indication of genetic and social success as a nation. After all, those who live long enough to reproduce are clearly viable, and those who live long enough to reproduce multiple times must clearly have some advantages. A huge majority of people in North America count German, Irish, French, Dutch, Scottish, English, Welsh, Spanish, and Italian in their heritage. Clearly these lineages are doing something right, in order to have spread their genes and their cultural influence so far and so well.
There's a great deal to admire about these cultures. Why not be proud of those first? Converting to Judaism is about a great deal more than culture. It's joining a family and a nation; it's often seen as political even if that's not the convert's intention; it's religious; it's about changing one's entire lifestyle. There are 613 commandments in the Torah, and then the entire Talmud -- as well as the body of rabbinic responsa since the writing of the Talmud -- is all about how to observe those commandments. Countless scholars have spent nearly four thousand years trying to get closer and closer to what we hope and believe is what Hashem actually wants us to do in each given situation, and they're not done yet. It is a HUGE burden, a huge weight to carry, and you've got to be darned sure you want to carry it, because if you convert, you are obligated to it for the rest of your life, and so are your descendants.
Be proud of having been born German, French, Irish, and Dutch. If you want to believe in Hashem, do it; it doesn't require you to become a Jew. Why not be an observant Noachide? (Google it.)
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:18 am
Did I mention that part of the conversion process is a lot of Jews asking you why and then trying to talk you out of it? Just to make sure you're serious on this issue.
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:01 pm
LordNeuf Did I mention that part of the conversion process is a lot of Jews asking you why and then trying to talk you out of it? Just to make sure you're serious on this issue. I'm one of the stubornest people around. You won't talk me out of it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:24 pm
Callamandes I'm one of the stubornest people around. You won't talk me out of it. I had no intention of it. So, any questions for the group?
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:41 pm
LordNeuf Callamandes I'm one of the stubornest people around. You won't talk me out of it. I had no intention of it. So, any questions for the group? No, not really.
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:52 pm
Callamandes LordNeuf So, any questions for the group? No, not really. No because you know the answers or no because you can't think of any?
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:58 pm
It's a long journey and the first step can even take YEARS (as in my case), finding a rabbi.
I still don;t have one but I identify 100% with being Jewish and yet I have no right to call myself a Jew.
Are you prepared to give up certain foods you love? (I found Kosher potato chips at my corner store!).
Being modest?
Giving up social events with family and friends?
Feeling like an outsider in your own family?
There are many considerations. I identify as being Jewish because I was meant to be, not because I am merely interested in Judaism. Every mitzvah I can fulfil I feel closer to Hashem. It's not a burden, it's beautiful.
Tonight I had a kid ask me about my potato chips. I brought chips to work and the kid asked me why I dont eat certain things.. when I told him I was harassed ALL night and told I am "stupid" and "retarded". It doesn't hurt my feelings, I can deal with it but I feel pain, pain for ALL Jews when one is criticised.
We are a nation. You have to feel a certain sense of not being home before you realise that you are a lost soul. I feel homesick for Israel and a longing for Am Y'Israel.
You have a looong way to go, i think what you're feeing is curiosity.
Try to live as an observant Jew, try to think like one, try to act like one. If you can do that and it's not a burden then maybe you can consider conversion.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:10 am
lmao. It's funny how potato chip story seems to tell the life of jews. lol.
I don't know why but the potato story is going to stick with me for a long time.
Seriously though, Media is right.
It takes a long time, and it should, right now you don't want it, but in the end you'll look back and you'll be happy about 90-95% of the time taken.
Just remember, nothing worth having is instantly gained.
If you want culture, you don't need a religion to get that. Maybe research some of your family heritage, find the mos interesting one and become more active in the local that nationality group. smile If your german there are tons of german american clubs. If your czech, tons of czech festivals in the mid west. If you're native american somehwhere in your family Embrace it!!!
To become Jewish you need 100% intro-examination. (looking into who you really are and then examining it all over twice.)
Take all the advice these lovely people have given you, because I agree with all of them.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:06 pm
I think it's because chips are such a simple thing and you would expect people just to leave us alone. Chips are so simple, it doesn't affect anyone else, they are just sitting there. Out of our kindness we explain to people (when asked) why they have to be a certain type of food with a certain label on them, and instead of getting "Oh, that's interesting", we get "Oh, that's retarded" and then harassed for the rest of the night when you see the person. Then instead of thinking about how it should bother us individually, we see it as an attack on all of the Jews, not over potato chips but over misconceptions, ignorance, and downright stupidity.
Then we think about how we are choosing to be living a certain way and how wonderful it makes us feel and suddenly all those who have hurtful words to us are absolutely insignificant.
Nothing makes us happier than our nation of people, Hashem, and being able to make ourselves happy by fulfilling mitzvot.
You can be in love with the Jewish culture (even though there are many different ones) but at the end of the day if your soul is not yearning for Israel and if you do not feel lonely being an outsider to the point where you are distraught, then you know that Judaism is not right for you.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:31 pm
I always thought Converting to Judaism was like learning how to make Thai food.
Why are we on food metaphors? Must be all the stuff they throw in the water. Anyway...
For those of you who've had the chance to eat a Padthai, know it is the national dish of Thailand. Thailand loosely translates as Freedom Land and Pad Thai translates loosely as the Food of Freedom.
Every Pad Thai dish is different, it shows the personality and tastes of the chef making it. Some are hot and spicy, some have tofu, some are made with shrimp and others made with chicken, some are bland, some are nutty, some are more herbal, some are loaded in sauce some are bone dry.
Pad Thai is my most favorite thing ever to get in a Thai Restaurant, it helps me judge how the rest of the food is.
You ever try to make Pad Thai as a Westerner?
IT'S HARD!
There are more than just ingredients. Theirs technique involved, technique that was fashioned over a period of several centuries of cultural evolution. It's not something you can just pick up and run with.
The first time I made Pad Thai from a recipe,. I scratched it together, watched it cook, mixed in the sauce and ate it. After words I didn't know if I needed to s**t or just go blind. It was not Pad Thai... it was crap made with Asian ingredients.
After several more attempts I have discovered, I cannot make Pad Thai if my life depended on it. I cannot take Garlic, Bean Sprouts, Rice Noodles, Fish Sauce and Peanut Butter and make food with it. I make some sticky peanut butter flavored paste and curse myself. Other people can make this dish with such grace and ease and I suck at it.... Thus I am left to pay my 15 dollars for my Pad Thai and like it until I can find someone to teach me how to make it myself. But I need help, I have so many questions, Asian Markets confuse the hell out of me and I just wish I knew someone who knew more about them than I do.
Converting to Judaism is a lot like that. There will be many times when you will be discouraged, You will be questioning yourself if you can do it, there will be times others question your commitment and self dicipline just to get back on the horse once you fallen.
A book, as they say, does not make a cook.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:45 pm
LordNeuf Callamandes LordNeuf So, any questions for the group? No, not really. No because you know the answers or no because you can't think of any? Can't think of any.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:49 pm
Callamandes LordNeuf Callamandes LordNeuf So, any questions for the group? No, not really. No because you know the answers or no because you can't think of any? Can't think of any. am I the only one who finds his sig offensive?
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:00 pm
In Medias Res II Callamandes LordNeuf Callamandes LordNeuf So, any questions for the group? No, not really. No because you know the answers or no because you can't think of any? Can't think of any. am I the only one who finds his sig offensive? It's meant as a lighthearted joke.
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:21 pm
Callamandes In Medias Res II Callamandes LordNeuf Callamandes LordNeuf So, any questions for the group? No, not really. No because you know the answers or no because you can't think of any? Can't think of any. am I the only one who finds his sig offensive? It's meant as a lighthearted joke. Do you know what kind of Jew he is?
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Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:39 pm
In Medias Res II Callamandes In Medias Res II Callamandes LordNeuf No because you know the answers or no because you can't think of any? Can't think of any. am I the only one who finds his sig offensive? It's meant as a lighthearted joke. Do you know what kind of Jew he is? I'm not that well educated yet.
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