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Perhaps it could be taken, when people say "I'm Chinese-Canadian", that people are actually intergrating - at least they're saying the Canadian part, as opposed to saying they're just Chinese..



I disagree. Leaving a country in no way implies that you give up the customs and culture of that country.

You said somewhere that when you go somewhere you don't expect them to conform to your culture's traditions etc, but you're going as a guest; moving to another country, however, is like moving in with them - there's nothing which says that you can't carry on your own way of life from before.

You know, I don't really see the problem here sweatdrop



No, it hasn't. Well, I'm not Canadian and neither do I live in Canada, but I mean, it shouldn't. Ok, so Canadians aren't as patriotic compared to Americans, but hey, not many countries are. Canada doesn't and shouldn't have to live up to the "standard" set by its neighbour. And you can't expect people to arrive somewhere and just integrate overnight, either.. and you can't expect people to give up their national identity from their home country.

@Niphredil: Well I agree, partial integration is better than no integration right? However, perhaps you're right with the part that leaving a country doesn't imply that you have to give up everything. The wording in my original point was rather strong. In retrospect, perhaps a small fragment of home isn't a bad thing. The problem with this is that as that since that small fragment brings comfort, instead of taking the high-ground and getting comfortable in the new yet different place. They try to rebuild by adding more fragments. This then encourages other people who share the same "fragment" to join... soon you have a community that doesn't seek to expand and integrate but remain together. Then we have the whole discrimination and segregation thing going.

You also have a good point about patriotism. It's not fair to make people give up their national identity but like I said above, there should be limits... when it stops being beneficial (for the whole society) it needs to stop. It's beneficial to bring a fragment with you, as it helps keep the person grounded while they integrate little-by-little... but like I said before, it quickly snow-balls out of hand. confused

@[priscilla]: I really don't understand how you can think that way, but you are entitled to your opinions. I'm not directing this to you personally, it's just that I find it rather depressing to think that there are those around us who enjoy all the benefits of being a Canadian while not feeling pride in that title. I don't know, it's just that there are those who would do anything to come to Canada to start a new life as a Canadian... away from prosecution, away from war, away from poverty. At the same time, right across the street, you have someone who has lived in Canada for their whole life and they don't even stop to appreciate how lucky they are. Sometimes, you don't know what you have 'till it's gone. confused

hmm... yes um... yea tamcharles you make veeeeeeeery long posts or maybe it just seems like it on my comp. and about this intergration thing. In theory (mine of course) all cultures have good and bad customs like new year's money or sacrificing a pure person to appease a blood thirsty war god. So I think it's best that we should take all the good parts of the cultures mix them together and throw away the insane parts. And on patriotism, americans have a little too much patriotism. we're bordering on nationalism. not exactly a good thing that is. anyways i really don't see that much of problem. and when tamcharles was talking about the small fragments and adding on to them i don't see a problem. people should just learn how to link all the fragments together. just because they're fragments doesn't neccessarily mean that they should be sperated also. and i think you've already explained it before ( am to lazy and busy to go back and read the big difference between opening a word oops sorry...) how is canada having the discrimination and segregation thing going?

That's very true and vividly outlines reasons that we need to step away from ethnocentric views and try to look at the big picture from all angles... and that's not easy.

@Yalie5: Heh... yeah I do make long posts... I like to hear myself talk... or rather read myself type (?) rolleyes

Anyways... you're rigth about fragmentation not being a bad thing, the bad thing is that people don't "link them together" if anything, they make the fragments harder to link together. I don't really understand that last line in your last post... I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. Sorry. sweatdrop

You're right, it's not easy at all.

Alright~ 3nodding

You had me worried for a while there >.<

surprised

*tuts

If this was ED... *hand strays towards "report" button xd

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