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I support it entirely. Heck, I don't even know if I want children. I wouldn't want someone having children just because "Well this is what I'm supposed to do." They probably wouldn't enjoy it, and I'd rather everyone be as happy as possible. Do I think that would give them special moral rights? No, not really. It's not like conscientious objection in wartime. If the basis for abortion not being legal is "It kills someone and that is morally wrong in our society," then that would be legally imposed morality, which trumps personal morality. Plenty of people need to live with things they feel are immoral.

I like Beware's idea of using an IUS for the first few years just to be sure, but it's a little different than living as a woman or man for a few years before a sex change, because of the medical risks; I probably wouldn't do it. I agree with Jazzberry that frivolous litigation is an impediment, and something should really be done about that. I think it's pretty clear that when you are an adult making a decision to be sterilized, the responsibility is on you for choosing the procedure, not the doctor for doing the procedure. I wonder if plastic surgeons face that same sort of thing. "I realize now I don't want large breasts. I realize now I like my old nose."

I've had bad experiences with childfree people too. Crotch droppings, moos, breeders, let's force sterilization on people, let's laugh when some moo miscarries or some breeder's crotch dropping dies, etc. But then, I figure it's like it is within abortion communities. You have really vocal and extreme pro-life groups that make you queasy, and the same with pro-choice groups. It's hard to realize that these people are probably the minority because of how vocal they are, but they probably are just the minority.

I had a thought

I wonder if any of the hard core child-free/pro-abortion people thought about what the future would be like if all woman aborted or were forced to be sterilized. I thought about it and it's kind of scary.

If nobody had kids at all, in the future there won't be people to do jobs like become firemen-what would happen if your house was on fire? Or Doctors-what if your sick and noone can treat you? And what about clothes? Not everyone can sew and someone needs to make the fabric and all that-it would be going back in time.

Wow I think too much sweatdrop But I was always curious about that.


Tiadaria-Don't worry what people say, it was your choice to have your daughther and rise her and there are people that support you and your choice.

Yeah, I don't understand making fun of people for their choices.

And, Tiadaria, I hope that your life has been greatly improved by your daughter! I know that my sister's life has been by her son (and my nephew has improved my life too - he's such a great kid)! I think that you are totally wonderful, and that anyone who has called you names over your choice to give birth and raise your daughter is wrong!! *big smile*

You have to watch out for that though, as many people will claim to be pro-life and then condemn anybody who doesn't have children, or ends up as a single or teenage mother. Childfree isn't without it's own stigma.

I have ALWAYS wanted children. I've waited for five years, and I've got another wait at least that long, before they will ever feature in my life. I would like only two children, or maybe two biological children and then adopt.

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It's amazing how much my life improved with my daughter. I got clean and stayed clean, I started being responsible, I left my jerk-face ex, and sought help for my emotional baggage.

It's been crazy hard, but I can honestly say that I think things are a lot better with her in my life, than they would've been without her. She's fun. We laugh and talk and just enjoy ourselves. Sure, she's a kid...and that means projectile vomit in the middle of a Wal-Mart, and nail-polish on my carpet, and temper tantrums while I'm trying to take a shower. But, for me, the good outweighs the bad. But there's also mandatory hugs every day, compliments while I do my makeup, shared ice cream, and an excuse to watch Disney movies I loved as a kid. There's a little voice piping up while I'm reading, telling me to "follow my heart".

I just can't see how my life is supposedly ruined. And if it is, I think I can live with that. xD

I'll never really understand how one can have good experiences with a child yet be for abortion.

The idea that she means so much to you, yet had she come at the wrong time, she could be dead... It's just a very disturbing thought to me.

Sorry if it's a sore subject, but that's one of my biggest things about abortion, the irony of loving someone that was just a few months ago disposable tissue.

You remind me of my vegan friend, who has told me more than once: "I don't understand how you can love animals and still eat meat." To me, there isn't a conflict between loving animals and eating flesh. After all, the animals I admire most are predators and all certainly eat other animals.

Likewise, I see no conflict between loving children and being Pro-Choice. I think that children can be wonderful, I love my nephew tons and I want children of my own some day. But I still feel that elective abortion needs to be legal, because I feel that it is unethical to remove the right to deny use of her body from pregnant women without some immediate alternative.

I understand that, for you, there is a conflict. But I don't feel that there actually is one in my reasoning (since that is just the way I see things).