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Fatal Hilarity

PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:45 am


It's been a while, hasn't it?
Still on the writing issue, the last thing to cover up is Vocalisation. Those who are familiar with Arabic or Quenya know what that is.
Fot those who aren'r familiar with those, well, the vocalisation is actually the vowels, yet, unlike in English, the vowels are presented as symbols on top, under or inside the letters. It isn't as difficult as it sounds; yet it takes a while to get used to.
Hebrew has quite a large number of vocalisation symbols, yet many of them represent really similar vowels. Vocalisation has complicated, strict rules, and you don't have to learn them; the most important thing is learning how to read. Telling you the truth, a vast majority of Hebrew speakers does not know how to use vocalisation correctly, and honestly, that still includes me...
Books for adults, newspapers and, well, most written text in Hebrew appears without it, because once you know the words you really don't need the vocalisation. You could notice vocalisation mostly on children's books, and I will, of course, use it (don't worry, I may don't know the rules but I'm using a dictionary) on here.

So, the vocalisation, right? Since I'm a huge table fan with a huge keyboard issue, I stole this table from this wonderful page.
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I will mention some unusual cases later, since this is already confusing enough.

Here are some words, well, some vocabulary and reading practice. smile

(Notice! Read from the right to the left! smile )

Hello (Shalom)
שָׁלוֹם

See you later (Lehitraot)
לְהִתְרָאוֹת

Thank you(Toda)
תּוֹדָה

You're welcome / please(bevakasha)
בְּבַקָּשָׁה

Sorry / excuse me(Slicha)
סְלִיחָה

Yes(Ken)
כֵּן

No (Lo)
לֹא

Welcome (Baruch Haba)
בָּרוּךְ הַבָּא
PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:52 pm


I've started learning Hebrew... surprised heart

Proudly_Jewish
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Fatal Hilarity

PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:02 am


Proudly_Jewish
I've started learning Hebrew... surprised heart
You know where to turn to if you need help or practice. smile heart
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:23 am


yea i got some mad hebrew skillz too.
so you can just ask if you need help.
though i seem to have forgotten the hardcore language aspects of it that i learned in school.... now all i gots is my speaking skillz heheh

phrook


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:51 pm


I have a few questions ninja

First of all - out of the Ashkenazi and Sephardi Hebrew languages, which one is actually used in Israel? or do Ashkenazi Jews living in Israel use the Ashkenazi one and the Sephardi Jews use the Sephardi one?

Also, how is the zayin prononced? I know that it's like a Z in English, but is it like the Z in zipper, or more like the ts in cats?

Thanks for your help in advanced! ^^
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:29 pm


Proudly_Jewish
I have a few questions ninja

First of all - out of the Ashkenazi and Sephardi Hebrew languages, which one is actually used in Israel? or do Ashkenazi Jews living in Israel use the Ashkenazi one and the Sephardi Jews use the Sephardi one?

Also, how is the zayin prononced? I know that it's like a Z in English, but is it like the Z in zipper, or more like the ts in cats?

Thanks for your help in advanced! ^^
I'm not sure what you mean by Sepharadi or Ashkenazi Hebrew, but, well, Sepharadics in Israel usually speak with an accent that sounds a bit Arabic, as Ashkenazis speak in an accent that sounds a little German. ...That's me, and that's why I'm horrible at Arabic pronunciation.
What I can tell you is, that most of the pronunciation is Sepharadic, that means, for example, that Israelis (all of them) would say HaroseT and not HaroseS. I don't know enough about the differences to give you more examples.

Zayin is pronunced like Zipper. Ts or Tz is tzadik,

Fatal Hilarity


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:30 pm


So, would an Ashkenazi Jew living in Israel use Ashkenazi Hebrew? (sorry to keep bugging you about it sweatdrop )
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:43 pm


Proudly_Jewish
So, would an Ashkenazi Jew living in Israel use Ashkenazi Hebrew? (sorry to keep bugging you about it sweatdrop )
Everybody speaks a mixture of both. The exact same mixture, actually.

Fatal Hilarity


Proudly_Jewish
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:45 pm


oh damn gonk

can you please help me know what to say when? sweatdrop I'm still learning the alphabet right now but I might need some extra help after that ninja
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:05 am


Yup... Just ask.

Fatal Hilarity


Proudly_Jewish
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:07 pm


Bloodless Amber
Yup... Just ask.
Todoraba! 4laugh
PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:38 pm


Hey Amby (or anyone else here that speaks Hebrew?), can you tell me if these are right? sweatdrop I'm going to list the numbers in roman letters, can you please tell me if I read them corrently?

Masculine
0 - efes
1 - echad
2 - shanaim
3 - shaloshah
4 - araba'ah
5 - tamishah
6 - shishah
7 - shavayah
8 - shamonah
9 - tisha'ah
10 - asa'ah

Feminine
0 - efes
1 - akhat
2 - shataim
3 - shalosh
4 - arabay
5 - chamesh
6 - shesh
7 - shevay
8 - shamoveh
9 - teshe'
10 - eser

Also I have a question: I'm assuming that masculine numbers are used for masculine nouns and feminine numbers for feminine nouns, but which are actually used for counting? For example, if somebody just wanted to randomly count to 100, would they use the masculine numbers, the feminine numbers, or some kind of mix of the two?

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Fatal Hilarity

PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 4:38 am


Proudly_Jewish
Hey Amby (or anyone else here that speaks Hebrew?), can you tell me if these are right? sweatdrop I'm going to list the numbers in roman letters, can you please tell me if I read them corrently?

Masculine
0 - efes
1 - echad
2 - shnaim
3 - shloshah
4 - arba'ah
5 - khamisha
6 - shishah
7 - shivah
8 - shmonah
9 - tisha'ah
10 - asarah

Feminine
0 - efes
1 - akhat
2 - shtaim
3 - shalosh
4 - arba
5 - chamesh
6 - shesh
7 - sheva
8 - shmoneh
9 - tesha
10 - eser

Also I have a question: I'm assuming that masculine numbers are used for masculine nouns and feminine numbers for feminine nouns, but which are actually used for counting? For example, if somebody just wanted to randomly count to 100, would they use the masculine numbers, the feminine numbers, or some kind of mix of the two?

Corrected. ^^
You use the feminine form for counting.

By the way, you should really notice the way you use them. Very often people use feminine numbers for masculine nouns and the opposite, because masculine numbers have a feminine form, as feminine numbers have a masculine form. I admit I tend to make that mistake in my daily speech every now and then... sweatdrop Give it some practice, to make sure you're doing it right.
PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 2:33 pm


Wow... thank you so much! 4laugh

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