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DM_Melkhar
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:48 am


*Grins*

I so want to see you slap my ex boyfriend to the ground with all of this knowledge. I really do. I've just got this wicked urge you see.
He isn't on Gaia though. He was once, but then didn't bother (he's more concerned about World of Warcraft).

Anyway, I think we have to consider science fiction to some degree to make comparisons with fantasy.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:33 pm


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Anyway! With what you're saying about light speed etc, does that open up some kind of dimensional rift? If not, then what would or could do such a thing? When I've seen super high-tech futuristic ideas thrown into science fiction through programmes like...Star Trek for example, is warp drive EVEN POSSIBLE? I mean even if it is, would we be able to survive such speed?

Ok now I'm diving into science fiction. *Slaps own wrist.*
Berz, if you're going to reply to this, bring the fantasy element of dimensional shifts etc into it because it's difficult not to think of Star Trek and everything similar when you talk about inter-stellar travel etc.


Well, I'll see what I can do, but it is very SF in nature...

To answer some of your questions, here....

It doesn't open any dimensional rift, really. FTL travel (that's some common shorthand for "faster than light") just isn't possible, as far as we can see. The mathematics for calculating the energy you'd need does weird things like divide by zero (not actually divide by zero, but similar things that happen in calculus and linear algebra) and falls apart. Essentially, time and length both go to infinity meaning that it takes forever to get nowhere, or they go to single points meaning it takes no time to get everywhere. @_@

Aside from that, though, Star Trek's warp drive also had the problem of inertia; what happens to the people aboard those ships when they are suddenly accelerated to five and six times the speed of light? They should be squashed into gooey bits of atom jelly. When someone pointed that out to the writers, they invented "inertial dampeners" to band-aid the problem. But they never talk about what those may be. There's a million other such little and lethal problems with warp drive which leads most die-hard Star Trek fans to surmise that the show takes place in a universe where physics is different and this stuff is possible. But, basically, the answer to the last question is "no."

Black holes are an interesting conundrum, though. They're objects that are so massive that even the speed of light isn't fast enough to safely travel past it. Yet all their mass is collapsed to a single point at its center of gravity, meaning that anything that was in orbit around it to begin with is just fine, since orbits are concerned with centers of gravity. Anything whose orbit decays, though, is going in. It will be ripped apart into a single line of atoms on the way in and then... we don't know. Some people have surmised that this matter gets completely converted from potential to kinetic energy and is the source of the x-ray streams that are emitted perpendicular to the accretion disk. Others have surmised that the black hole's center of gravity actually becomes a point-sized hole into another dimension and the matter passes into that, becoming the source material for a big-bang elsewhere. But no one really knows, for sure.

Getting back to fantasy, though....

Magic portals between places in the same world can be a lot of fun to work with. I figure that each particular brand of magic will have to come up with its own explanation for how they work, though. In my world, it's completely an Astral Plain thing; you momentarily hop to the Astral Plain and that ferries you to the exit.

I wonder what would happen if a portal were set up to exit on the very spot you entered. Would you run into yourself and not be able to get through or would that be impossible because you haven't entered the portal yet? Hmm... I could have some fun with this...

Berz.


Yeah, that's a lot to consider and I've always wondered how it worked.

BTW, I think that if you could open a portal like that, you would only bump into yerself, he-he. mrgreen

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:16 pm


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Magic portals between places in the same world can be a lot of fun to work with. I figure that each particular brand of magic will have to come up with its own explanation for how they work, though. In my world, it's completely an Astral Plain thing; you momentarily hop to the Astral Plain and that ferries you to the exit.

I wonder what would happen if a portal were set up to exit on the very spot you entered. Would you run into yourself and not be able to get through or would that be impossible because you haven't entered the portal yet? Hmm... I could have some fun with this...

Berz.


Yeah, that's a lot to consider and I've always wondered how it worked.

BTW, I think that if you could open a portal like that, you would only bump into yerself, he-he. mrgreen


I thought so at first, too, but then it occurred to me that the person in question wouldn't have entered the portal yet to manifest on the other side to be bumped into. @_@

Berz.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:19 pm


Right! But the moment their forehead begins to touch the portal, they could bump into the rest of their bodies, or something... rolleyes Right?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:41 pm


I know this is bringing matters into our world here, but what does everyone think about CERN's new LHC machine (Large Hadron Collider).

It's meant to determine what happened at the time of the Big Bang and to discern whether or not other dimensions exist out there. Personally, I don't need physical proof, I know other dimensions are there in my own mind. It's not just a belief as far as I'm concerned.

Danger of Unexpected Phenomena in the LHC
Reassurances about the effects of the LHC

As this is about fantasy and reality as two different and yet combined subjects, how can we use the information provided to our advantage here.

I hope Berz has something to say about this as she's our resident physics expert.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:01 pm


The collisions in LHC aren't going to put out near enough energy to make a black hole for anything longer than an instant or any bigger than a point. The MeV levels it's going to be looking at are no bigger than the energy produced from a couple of hydrogen fusions, billions of which happen in the Sun every minute.

As for it looking for dimensions, it's not really dimensions as you think. It isn't anything like parallel worlds. It's more like layers and sublayers of space, smaller than a wavelength of light and less powerful than a point-sized magnet. Basically, it's looking for the reason gravity exists, why matter distorts space to make it seem like matter attracts matter. Basically, they're looking to answer the most fundamental question you can ask concerning the physical world, which is surprisingly hard to answer.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:44 am


What do I think about LHC?
Well, I don't know to be honest. I barely have time for checking out certain threads at the guild to follow links like that and be more informed on the subject. There's so many things to know about out there and some of those I don't really care about. You know?

I don't know if Berz is really smart or what cuz I couldn't really understand everything she said, he-he. sweatdrop
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