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I believe that everything follows a set path pre-determened by god. If god did not want the child to be concieved, he wouldn't have made that girl one of the 2% of women who are impregnated by rape. By aborting, you are throwing a monkey wrench in god's plans. Every person that that child would have effected is now thrown off balance. And because unlike wounds, attempted suicide, or usually fatal accadents, there is NO surviving abortion, therefor there is no way that god can stop it, nomatter how powerful he is. If that baby wasnt ment to be born, it wouldnt have been concieved. By aborting, that baby would be sent to heavon before his/her time, and the entire fabric of the world is set off in an outward ripple. That is the reason for so many disasters. Perhaps if one fetus was not aborted, the baby would have spit up on the line to an airoplain, and the spitup would have landed on one of the 9/11 terrorists. That man perhaps would have been given a towel to clean off the spitup. An explosive could have become visable through his clothing as he rubbed the soiled suit, and he would have been discovered, senting the airport into red aleart and preventing the other terrorists from ever entering the plains. That single aborted fetus could have stopped the entire 9/11 incedent from ever happening. Unlikely? yes. But you never know.

That baby also could have grown up, unwanted, bouncing arround foster care. He could have grown up messed up and killed a man in a bar, and went to prison. However, that man could have been an athiest (and a single parant) who would have raised his infant to be an athiest. That baby would maybe be adopted by a christian family, became a christian, and thus been saved. In prison, that baby (now grown up) could come to christianity. He could perhaps spread it to another inmate (who was in for a short period of time, and had a large family) and that man would in turn bring his wife and many children to the faith. These children could have christian babies who may further spread the faith.

Therefor by allowing the baby to be born, countless souls could be saved.

I'm under the opinion that God doesn't plan people's actions, since that would mean no free will.

By this logic, it seems that abortion should be acceptable since it is already pre-determined to occur. Of course, so would be your opposition be pre-determined.

Sorry, I'm not a fan of determinism.

Predetermination means that no matter what, nobody can ever do anything BUT what they do. So the abortions MUST take place, and by that logic the people are at no fault, since God's plan included it happening. Unless some people are born cursed from the beginning, stuck in a line of sin they can do nothing to prevent, for it is all determined ahead of time. The holocaust, aids virus, my choice of roast beef instead of turkey, all planned out ahead of time.

Edit- and no, to you, they may not be acceptable, but by the logic that God controls all of what happens on earth, there is nothing you can do about it. If He wills it, it will be banished, correct? And all those who favor abortion do so because of God's plan, yes? The rapist sure favored rape because of God's plan, in the hypothetical situation.

Not sure what you mean. If you mean that individuals make choices that interact with the choices of others to create a path in history, of course. If you mean that the future is determined ahead of time, I disagree, although certain paths in history lead to obviously separate ends. For example, hitler moving to conquer the countries around him lead to a war, America's interference in the middle east caused distrust amongst arab nations, which lead to other things.

I don't believe the paths are pre determined by God or by the people. Individual decisions lead to changes and that is all.

I'm not following then. Predetermination implies all things being... predetermined. Knowing something is coming doesn't involve predetermination, it involves logic and reasoning.

I make the exception because while I think 85% of the debate is fundamental common sense logic whatever, there is another 15% determined by human decency and variations in morality and values and what not. I feel bad for victims of non-consensual crimes. I believe there are too many of them to waste a ton of energy feeling upset for people who couldn't be responsible enough to take responsibility for their actions...especially if those actions come at the expense of someone else. And besides, I also make that exception because I think it's workable. The two percent of women who have rape abortions can be exempted, logistically.