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Yeah, remind me again why neither of those worked?

Oh right, your basically unbreakable barrier with no set limits upon it beyond "stronger" and "weaker" attacks as a definition have stopped both attempts.

Doesn't matter though. I just finished this.

You have a problem with my counters?

Bring it up with a judge, not my fault that fire retardant clothing, and concussive force resistant armor is standard issue.

Vintrict, I'd like to chat with you for a moment.

What's the problem? I already discussed the heat blade issues by PM to Infer, so that problem should be taken care of.

First I will address the breathing issue. How would bringing forth and aura that is ment to stop physical and energy attacks supposed to bar him from taking in a nessescity of oxygen. Thats like saying every time he covers his body with it he has to hold his breath. What pointless s**t are you talking about. It is made to stop attacks. The only substances that can indeed make it through really without any problems are gases and water. However water can be blocked with the aura depending on its use. A hydro cannon? Yeah i can be blocked. Would Kaine stand there and block it with his aura? No that would be a waste since it has a higher chance at breakin through than anything else. Again thats why Kaine has a hard time against fighting people would use pressured attacks and why when an explosion happens nearby he still has the problem of ringing ears despite his aura sheild. Its not an defense that cannot be gotten around and its purposely made that way. Hell if it was as you said about gas not bein able to make it through wouldnt it then be a helmet with some oxygen caught up in it before they got underwater? This would mean he had more of an air supply than his opponent and you just screwed yourself over cause he could just refil with that oxygen he could find leaving you to black out. I shoulda just went with that so you could go ahead and black out.

Rocket hands?

At least use the name of the attack cause Kaine isnt some damn robot. As far as that goes I told Midus that I would be eiditing that part since I wasnt thinking about the distance and all of that while posting. I was thinking more along the lines that I had heat constantly flowing from that port of his body so it wouldnt take long to charge at all however I forgot about how quickly heat dispursed under water. So that point is mute and i stated in the thread I would indeed edit my post.

As far as running out of oxygen after say... three posts struggling or not. Ive learned a few things about holding my breath under water while struggling. Quite frankly its quite difficult however we are not playing on a battlefield where you got a child with no battle experience fighting an award marine vet. They are both people who, no excuse me, one human and one fricken mythical creature whos only problem is that his lungs are physically smaller than his opponent. But wait, lets see what actions out characters are actually doing.

Spook

1. Attempting to drown Kaine (physical -O2)
2. Attempting to stab Kaine several times deeply (physical movements -O2)
3. Keeping a tight hold against a pressure thats pushing outwards (Will power physical -O2)
4 Keeping your legs wrapped around him, which isnt easy even out of the water cause your legs do get tired. (physical and will power -O2)
5. Holding his breath (This here being a case of will power)
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6. Squeezing hard with his legs while attempting to stab down on his head. (A hell of alot of physical movement + will power - Alot of O2)

What Kaine is doing.

1. Keeping his aura firm enough to keep from being choked out (will power)
2. Blocking the knife with slight movements of his right hand. (brief physical movement -little O2)
3. The one moment where he attempted blow you off of him which still leaves me in some question as to your armor but I decided to just leave it be since in my oppinion if you have a grenade in your hand or ontop of your hand, reguardless of your armor unless its of a mythical nature, you will feel some discomfort and possibly get some spraining from it but like I told Midus, I dont know s**t about new armor made for war. (Brief physcal movement followed by the willing of the heat which showed by the release of some guard towards the aura defense. -little O2)
4. Tucking his shirt into his pants and balling his fist. (physical -little O2)

I purposely made Kaine do little physical struggle against you underwater.

Now last time I checked, willing something to happen does not use up your oxygen stores unless it was accompanied by a physical movement. Spook on the other hand was continously struggling against forces with physcial energy that would use up his oxygen against forces that pretty much had nothing to do with kaines physical movement. Who was burning more oxygen... really?

Now I will say I dont know much about how underwater and being the same weight. I have never been to the bottom of a thirty foot pool with someone ontop of me to check to see how easy it is to move them. So if thats how it works then so be it and you could have simply explained that to me. which would mean that Kaine wouldnt be able to so easily move onto his side despite the fact it is possible. Ive had people on my back double my weight on land and I have been able to at least turn to the side. However I do respect as you say it would be difficult and also I acknowledge it would use a quite a bit of oxygen store despite the brief moment that it happened. But I believe we would be put at about the same limitations where we would both black out at about the same time.

Now I move onto the issue of the explosion earlier that has bothered me from since you used it as a defense against the blow. Like I said I know little about the armor of present times as your character seems to be played as but the whole lead thing bothers me. If it was able to peirce the glove and sit inside of the lead the outward force of the explosion would tear the glove apart now from the inside out and cause some damage to your arm. Also I really didnt know exactly what a rear naked choke looked like other than a general idea so I went to look at some pictures. Now from what I have seen the neck is on the forearm. However the neck is as far away from the wrist as possible and much closer towards the elbow joint. Make sense since there would be less room for error there. The other arm's elbow joint is hooked over the wrist and placed behind the head locking it into place.

Please stop me if im missing something.

Now underwater the arm that was holding the lock tightly in place was moved to beging stabbing meaning that for the lock to hold in place one had to exert more physical energy to keep the pressure on the neck without the help of the other hand. To do this i figure one had to tighten the hold by bending the joint of the choking arm so that the wrist was pulled further behind the head. Now you said that his head was directly behind Kaines. Well all the images I saw the persons head always to the side except for one occasion where the persons head was directly behind. Now I looked at two things. The fact that Kaine is quite small and it would take less arm to do the choke and the fact that he was using only one hand. So I figured that the wrist, or just above it, would be adequtely close enough to the face for shards to hit right in it. Secondly I did the same thing to my brother just earlier and looking at it, in order to put adequte pressure on his neck, my wrist, despite being behind him, was just below my chin at a slight angle that would allow shards of metal, if an explosion were to occur and armored in the same manner, to hit my face. I donno. Maybe im missing something but thats where you come in to explain things for me.

At anyrate, the whole boost thing I will edit cause I realized when I read it over again it didnt make much sense. And I also posted that I would be editing it.

I will take that but could you explain the whole armor thing and the choke because as far as I can tell from any pictures I saw his face would still have a bit of damage from the shards. Kaine doesnt have a huge head. How can he effectivly use it to guard against the shards. Or could someone show me a picture of the headgear.

*edit

Nevermind the pm.

From what I can read, there seems to be no description of headgear. Other than a black bandana and a headliner, along with a neck gaitor, no helmet mentioned. However, because he has a helmet shroud for his night vision goggle, I will assume that it's a basic helmet meant for protecting the skull from around, but not the front. Considering that he was holding Infer from behind, the explosion could have probably send a shard or two at his face, but from its angle, probably cutting across a cheer, or nose. It's up to Apron how he makes of this, but I will at least say that something should be coming for his face. Just nothing lethal.

Well thats fine. I was just trying to figure the whole head gear think out but it doesnt matter now. Frankly I never said anything about too much or two little information. I could give all the information on the world making the post more like a book. I dont for time sake and so i can keep the feeling in my fingers.