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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:44 pm
Speaking of divorces, 70% of divorces are caused by the woman. If they take the kids, most of the times its to spite the man, and to get away from his "bad influence".
Equal rights due to amendments are first and foremost useless. People need to accept people, not be forced to. Forcing something leads to further disobedience, and how do you force a law with nearly undefinable grounds? It could be abused by anyone to claim anything, and people are gullible to believe a story about racism, sexism, etc.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:24 pm
Spiffy Spazz Lady_Elainee Do you have any idea how insulting that is? Even if it's not negative, you're still promoting stereotypes. Not every woman can be defined by "feminine beauty." And even if the media always portray men in the wrong, it's not fair for men. Also, if what you say about the media is true, that is still promoting gender roles: the convention of women having to be a wife. The Greeks may have glorified masculine beauty, but the ideals were never achieved. The Greeks have ideas for everyone. Women may have every right men have, but they still do not have rights that should be entitled to them as women. Abortion is still not legal in a number of states, though women should not be forced to give birth to a child they do not want. Passing the ERA would mean making it possible for women to win on other woman's rights issues. I think you need to get the hell off your high horse. Equal rights are not an issue anymore, I'm sorry. As far as steroetypes you'll have them everywhere. Do many people actually follow them? No. Woman ARE generally wives! Its human nature, its not saying that all woman have to but most do. And excuse me, but I love my body worshipped. Abortion is not womans rights, its human rights. They're saying that that child has a right to live and if the woman did not want the baby she shouldn't have had unprotected intercourse. Rape? Thats a different ******** feminist c**t. You get down off you're high horse! Equal rights are still very much an issue. However, these rights are not just women's rights but of human rights as a whole! In a lot of jobs, women and minorities are still paid only three quarters of what white men get. Women who get to the top of their fields are still looked down on for stereotypically stepping on others. Women also get stuck with the kids in divorce because they are considered the mothers and are it is considered that children should not be separated from their mothers, even if the mother is the one ignoring them and the father is the one caring for them. As for me, I would rather be able to function in modern culture without comments being made about me, without having to tell friends "my eyes are up here" and without being told by society that to wear clothing I consider decent is not feminine. Thank you, I would rather not have compliments made at a meeting to finish a project. You're there to do the project, not to have to necessarily look better than all the guys who have rolled out of bed in their boxer pants and thrown on a T-shirt. Why should I not do the same thing? It is annoying to be catcalled when you're late to a presentation. It is even more annoying to be told to flash a stranger, to yell back that you'll do it if they do it, and to be told that such a comment is unfeminine. Or to see in all the movies how the girl always dresses so ultra-feminine in the end and kisses the guy for a happy ending. Am I feminist? No. Absolutely not, or at least not in the modern sense of the word. Someone who believes in equal rights for all, and believes that they have not been achieved yet? Yes, by all means. Now, what does this act entail exactly?
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:15 am
Spiffy Spazz Lady_Elainee Do you have any idea how insulting that is? Even if it's not negative, you're still promoting stereotypes. Not every woman can be defined by "feminine beauty." And even if the media always portray men in the wrong, it's not fair for men. Also, if what you say about the media is true, that is still promoting gender roles: the convention of women having to be a wife. The Greeks may have glorified masculine beauty, but the ideals were never achieved. The Greeks have ideas for everyone. Women may have every right men have, but they still do not have rights that should be entitled to them as women. Abortion is still not legal in a number of states, though women should not be forced to give birth to a child they do not want. Passing the ERA would mean making it possible for women to win on other woman's rights issues. I think you need to get the hell off your high horse. Equal rights are not an issue anymore, I'm sorry. As far as steroetypes you'll have them everywhere. Do many people actually follow them? No. Woman ARE generally wives! Its human nature, its not saying that all woman have to but most do. And excuse me, but I love my body worshipped. Abortion is not womans rights, its human rights. They're saying that that child has a right to live and if the woman did not want the baby she shouldn't have had unprotected intercourse. Rape? Thats a different ******** feminist c**t. High horse? What horse? I don't have a horse. I don't even like horses. (I should indicate here that your uncivilized manner and ignorance about the world you live in has given me quite some entertainment.) Let us disregard all that stuff about stereotypes and "body worship" and move into something bigger. First of all, the ERA is absolutely still an issue. Why else would it be brought up in EVERY session of Congress? Those congress men and women have better things to discuss, don't they? But they choose to continue debates about the ERA, so what does that tell you? And if you understand deeper meanings of the word, "sex," you would be able to see that section one of the ERA is no longer restricted to women. "Sex" also implies sexuality, such as homosexuals, transsexuals, heterosexuals, etc. That's a bigger reason the conservatives in the house refuse to let it pass.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:36 am
Even if this is passed it won't change anything. Men are still men and women are still women. There have always been slurs from both sides, with things like "You run like a girl," and there always will be. If this is passed it won't stop those men that do act in a derogatory manner to females anyway.
They way I see it. This is just a bunch of feminists who are just looking at the case from their point of view and are too stubborn to budge or be told otherwise. They're living in the past, no one's forcing you to cook and clean or to have babes and be a good wife. If you don't want to do it then don't, easy.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:51 am
Adding to what my buddy Ghengis has said:
All of you get off your high horses:
Elainee: Believe it or not, you do sound like, and you are, on a high horse.
Spiffy Spazz: While I lol'd at it, and I admire your honesty, you, too, are on a high horse.
Marcel something Spanish name or some other:It's hard to change culture, and saying you'd rather live in a culture where guys DON'T stare are your boobs is really, if not impossible, to find without turning into a nun.
High horses? Yes. Stop giving them those pills and maybe they'll crash.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:56 am
@ x-Genghis-x: Of course it won't have any immediate effects, but long term effects are inevitable. At least, having a law on their side would teach future generations to be a little less discriminatory. And has no one read or does no one understand the part about sexuality?
@ Nasuko: Isn't it horribly ironic and ridiculously amusing that you yourself are acting all high and mighty telling us to not stand up for what we believe in? And here I thought you would be fine with "A-freakin'-men, brother."
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:55 am
No no. I have zero problem with standing up for what you believe in (I'm actually one of the biggest freedom of speech advocates you'll ever meet), but through experience of taking part in such high horse activities (I was on one pretty much 24/7 for quite some time.) it gets annoying and people don't read the argument. Quote: I should indicate here that your uncivilized manner and ignorance about the world you live in has given me quite some entertainment. While Spiffy had no right to call you a "feminist c**t," you have no right to steer the argument away from body worship, which is a HUGE part of culture today. It has been since ancient Greece (More Sparta than anywhere else). And you are right about the whole feminine beauty thing. It's actually an incredible point. While most kids my age (Sixteen, if you all must know) are occupied with T.B.A, or "tits, body, and a**," the two things I care the most about is personality first and foremost, and a cute face. Everything else is just a bonus to me. Both sides of the ERA have great points, and I'm sure this'll be a hotly contested issue for quite some time. But even if it is passed, you'll still have rampant sexism. Better? Sorry...I was kinda tired and what not when I wrote the last post. mrgreen
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:51 pm
Nasuko-San Marcel something Spanish name or some other: and saying you'd rather live in a culture where guys DON'T stare are your boobs is really, if not impossible Well they COULD go to this one tribe in east Africa, where the attractive features of a woman is pretty much the thigh and face. They walk around without tops all the time but the guys don't look at their breasts. That's normal to them. What gets 'em hot is the thighs. Some particular things of attractivity are relative to the culture itself. That is if you put thousands of years of evolutionary sexual psychology aside, something that is inherent in ALL humans.
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:05 am
The reason for any desire is denial of it in the first place.
That's about the best example you could get.
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