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Wing-Goddess

PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:05 pm


I agree with Starlock( and about everyone else) women do tend to be more spiritual than mean....just means it is an exceptional man that will try to go on this journey against whatever stigmas there are....and as far as the gender ideals go...it kinda drives me nuts how we have to steriotype and divide everything....we all have traits of both and we should embrace them to become more balanced people....and as far as you being the only "straight" guy here...untrue....My boyfriend Andrew (dragoon_2004 in here) is wiccan and a member here.....we have just had a lot of real life things that have interfered with us being able to post lately so no worries.....and no thinks you don't belong here so relax, chat and just have some fun while you're here 3nodding
PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:08 am


One of the many reasons why I left Christianity was because it was very male dominated and I hated being treated like a helpless porcelain doll.

People do not need to be stereotyped by gender so yes a Witch can be male. I'd like to see more of a balance between genders in Wicca. Think about the Yin Yang symbol. It takes two halves to make a whole so without one half, we can never fully be complete.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:56 pm


This is interesting to me because last time I was at the bookstore there was a group of three boys, one of them was in the metaphysical aisle and he was looking at books, trying to find a good starter book. All the way through, his friend was berating him and the books
"Psh.. *femmy accent* Drawing Down the Moon oh goodness~"
"Oh look GAY WICCA"
"Awwww, get in touch with your emotions and find yourself, how sweet"
And he was generally being an a** about it. The one boy who was trying to get a book was generally un-phased by it, until the third boy came up and basically said "Wicca? Don't get into that f*****t s**t man, that's for chicks" then dragged him off.

These were average school age boys. So I would have to say Wicca does indeed have a female connotation, even though I personally, as a woman, identify more with the God anyways. I'm not sure why it is so extremely feminine, but they also say in groups, guys are less likely to discuss their emotions and stuff, more likely to act tough and just glaze over emotional matters, this is true in relationships as well. Most guys just don't open up very much, so I suppose if sitting and talking about your feelings is considered feminine, then obviously getting in touch with yourself and meditating etc is as well in common male mentality.

I do not mean to offend anybody by my statements, the quotes taken are actual quotes, and really happened in Borders bookstore in public.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:56 pm


Speaking from personal experiences, I am a guy, yet most of the people I am friends with are girls, I assosiate with both the god and the goddess, anfd I am training to be wiccan. I haven't gotten seriously talked to about being Wiccan, most people just say I'm either Jewish (I wore a pentagram and everyone said it was the star of david, I'm surrounded by idiots.) or a satanist. I'm the only Wiccan in my community, (that I Know of) and nobody really understands it, so I'm not normally questioned.

But regarding the fact that men can be witches, they can, and most shouldn't care what people say, just try and be close to your Diety in your way.

Tanshin Hogosha


Starlock

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:56 am


Well, you can look at it this way. If you're a guy amidst a sea of women, you shouldn't have as much trouble finding a like-minded lifemate to share your journey. Us Neopagan women on the other hand... if we limit ourselves to finding a Neopagan man, we've got slim pickings. rofl
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:50 pm


I'm a straight male Wiccan, and I also sometimes feel a little uneasy.
However, I haven't really had much trouble making progress as a Neo-pagan or as a person because of it.
(BTW, it helps that 75% of my friends are girls . . .)

Carmacao


J. Dragonhater

PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:07 pm


I am a male wiccan and I have always used the term witch. I have always asscoicated myself with it. I have spent a lot of time telling people that witch is a nongender specific term but I have never had any problems with it (people gave me odder looks for offering them a tarrot reading than they did for saying I was a witch).

Just skimming these few previous posts I see that I am not alone being a guy with a lot of female friends. I wonder if that's some unspoken trait of male wiccans?

@ Controller-Tamer- Perhaps there is that female connotation because a lof of the more well known wiccan groups are femminsts groups and they have a couple of traditions that seem to be all female. Oh, and lots of those books with names like 'drawing down the goddess'. It is easy to see why the casual observer would think of Wicca as a female orientated religon.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:46 pm


Well, the coven that I practice with (sometimes, at least) is equally male and female, and we sort of have a rule about not discriminating based on gender or sexuality, but that's just an unwritten rule in my tradition.

Even though I personally am not used to it, I can see women being more attracted to Wicca than males, simply because of a male vs. female dynamics thing. Also, pop culture tends to imply that witches (Harry Potter-type witches) are female, and (usually) only female. The males are often exclusively referred to as wizards, sorcerers, magicians, etc., which may take part in males being less attracted to witchcraft or Wicca.

Also, some covens do tend to take a feminist point of view, focusing more on the Goddess than the God, and often working more with things like the Blood of the Moon and other exclusively feminine traits more than other traditions and covens. Very few covens take a masculine view of things, most are either feminist or as equal as possible.

Most of the mental differences between males and females are still unexplained, so I can't really give a solid reason why females are more likely to be attracted to Wicca than males. The best I can do is "That's the way things are." I'm sure you will find a coven that's right for you. Just keep looking.

On a side note, I have to agree that several of the male witches I know (but not all) are bisexual or gay. maybe about half are gay, and a quarter or so are bisexual.

-Kudos for an interesting topic, pirate

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Wing-Goddess

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:54 pm


ok...not to disagree with anyone's true meaning of their posts here...but I must point out and clarify that a FEMINIST by definition is ANYONE that feels men and women should be considered equal...and that is it....there can be a lot of bad rep from those that are threatened by strong women, but anyone can be a feminist men included...you do not have to be a so-called man hater to be one and it urks me to see it used otherwise....in all rights...all of us in here are feminists......and that's it......*tries very hard not to spout off more*
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:31 am


Thinking about it, I know one straight male witch and the rest are all rather gay.

I've also noticed guys are found more often on ceremonial paths than girls.

Funa Spectrum


Vodka Tampon

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:34 am


Wing-Goddess
ok...not to disagree with anyone's true meaning of their posts here...but I must point out and clarify that a FEMINIST by definition is ANYONE that feels men and women should be considered equal...and that is it....there can be a lot of bad rep from those that are threatened by strong women, but anyone can be a feminist men included...you do not have to be a so-called man hater to be one and it urks me to see it used otherwise....in all rights...all of us in here are feminists......and that's it......*tries very hard not to spout off more*


Well, yes. I suppose I did a really bad job wording, now that I look back, but honestly there are more female feminists than male feminists, and I couldn't think of the word to describe all or mostly female covens. Some are even leaning sort of toward female-superiority type, but not quite (please don't get too angry! I'm a top-notch drama starter.) I dunno... here I go again saying stupid stuff. It's hard to put into words both what I AM trying to say, and what I WAS trying to say in my previous post. Meh. Just ignore all the stupid not-thought-out crap that I've been saying recently. I can't really articulate what I'm trying to explain. Ok... one paragraph of rambling about absolutely nothing, and making no progress. I'm done before I wreak any more havoc.

-Sorry about my bad articulation, pirate
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:09 am


Well to be fair to you, there really isn't a word that I know of to describe female superiority. Chauvinism is believing in male superiority, and there isn't one for females, since the original use of feminism was indeed for equality.

There are a number of covens and individual practitioners that focus solely on the Goddess, and I have met Wiccan and witchy women who entertained female superiority opinions on things.
Personally I believe in balance, so I worship both the Lord and Lady, Cernunnos, who represents the image of the Lord to me, was the first one to fully manifest himself in a dream to me, although the Lady was there as well in the form of the wind and the trees.

Anyways, that is off topic.
I would say there are an amazing number of people who intensely favor the Goddess over the God, and most of those people in my experience have been women. There are also many t-shirts and wiccan stickers, banners etc that say things about the Goddess and not the God, so as to be different, or so that you KNOW they are talking about Wicca and not Christianity (when you say God, most people think Jesus. )

So in the public eye, I suppose Wicca must seem a very feminine thing. I don't mean to offend anybody by my statements, indeed how you choose to worship is entirely your right, so I would appreciate if no offense was taken. It is simply how I have observed things. I have no degrees and have done no mass public studies, so I am limited to my personal observations. 3nodding

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:02 pm


Hey hey hey, I'm a male witch! look no further, my good friend, you've found another! =D and i guess you could say i'm really copying someone else in saying this, but why would sex matter? it's just a way of segregating humans further apart. plus i have about 50% female friends, and the other 50% are dudes. (no, they're not 50 hermaphrodites) So cheeel, you'll fit in just fine. =D Also i would like to state that i and another friend are both in a Robotics team and we are both wiccan. and sadly, electronics do NOT go haywire near me. I'm sad... that would've been funny...
PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:45 pm


I've recently made a new friend this year after he told me that he was a witch. I, for one, was surprised, and he was too to after I told him that I knew of Wicca.

My friend became extremely open of his beliefs not too long ago, though sometimes too over-the-top with it, trumpeting it at the top of his lungs sometimes. However, when called a warlock once by a few simple-minded classmates, he launched into a full-blown fifteen-minute rant about how pop culture had destroyed the name for witches, how men can be witches too, how warlock was an insult, etc.

I don't know if my friend is a feminist, as he tends to make sexist remarks sometimes, but they're usually just jokes or to provoke a reaction for his amusement.

My friend is in fact straight. I think. But he doesn't call himself "manly" or "girly"--just "Sean-ly," but again, I think it's a joke.


I don't know if this completely answers your question, or if it even answers your question at all, but I thought I'd state my opinion anyway. =]

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Mika Lockheart

PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:41 am


I'd hope you feel welcomed here! I think I can speak for all of us when we say we want you here with us.

I can say that I don't know many male witches but then, I live in Newfoundland and believe me when I say it's Christian dominated to a strong, strong degree despite our rather awesome folktales and history. (Who else gets to live in a place named the Avalon Peninsula, usually referred to as Avalon!) I mean seriously, the only other religion thats around here is Judaism, and believe me when i say that there's about 12 graves in all in their cemetery!

The fact we don't see a lot of male witches doesn't mean they aren't out there. They may simply be harder to find, or maybe they're just...secretive or something like that. Wicca very much is dual in it's beliefs but I think we see a trend in women as seemingly more populating the Wiccan belief systems because most mainstream religions don't give women a lot of power and as someone else said, treat women as though they're fine porcelain or unable to make their own decisions. Wicca gives them equality and freedom which they may not find anywhere else.

I think the common misconception is that males are walocks, which isn't entirely true, to my research warlocks were expelled from a coven for one reason ro another and so not part of a group. That certainly isn't the case now for every male witch.


In short, there's male wiccans out there, and they're not a minority!

So..now that I've babbled out a post, I wish luck to anyone who can make sense of it!
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