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 Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:17 am
I have been curious about those spider valves. I should try one out. The 6505 combo I think goes for 1200 new, but I don't know about used. and I know anything Mesa is pretty expensive. Anyone know anything about those new Randalls? the ones where you can switch out the ciruitry? I know Kirk Hammett got on board with that line and a few others. But how good does it sound?
I agree with who ever said Line 6 over the plexi. I know everyone loves plexi's but I just have never been a fan of Marshall. I've tried out some Marshall stacks andthe TSL, but just ended up disappointed. the only marshall i still kinda want to try is the MF i heard that was a good one.
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:11 am
Raider83 I have been curious about those spider valves. I should try one out. The 6505 combo I think goes for 1200 new, but I don't know about used. and I know anything Mesa is pretty expensive. Anyone know anything about those new Randalls? the ones where you can switch out the ciruitry? I know Kirk Hammett got on board with that line and a few others. But how good does it sound? I agree with who ever said Line 6 over the plexi. I know everyone loves plexi's but I just have never been a fan of Marshall. I've tried out some Marshall stacks andthe TSL, but just ended up disappointed. the only marshall i still kinda want to try is the MF i heard that was a good one. 1. The Spider valve is a monster amp. I have the 112 and it sounds like a 412 cab. It's so versatile that I can play anything from Elvis to Dream Theater on this amp. 2. My experience with tube randalls has never been bad, so I would definitely recommend them. The swappable amps (m series?) is a tad expensive though. It might be cool to try them out though. 3. The only marshall I've dug so far is the VM series. Pretty tight amps but still not quite what I was after.
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:55 pm
kasacoon anyone have any experiance with a carvin v3? i'm planning on getting a job just so i can buy that half stack, and then quit the job. lol kirk hammett style lol ive only heard one once, dont know the settings but it sounded like mud. it contradicted everything id every heard about them. theyre supposed to be very bright and cut very well and articulate every note. my guess is that they are bright and articulate, but probably not too full-sounding and that the one i heard the guy was trying to make it sound really full (like a recto or something i guess) but it wasnt meant to do that sound and just muddied up (which is often what happens when you try to make an amp fuller sounding) making a thin/bright amp sound full/warm =====>> muddy sound making a full/warm amp sound thin/bright =====>> fizzy sound it depends on what kind of sound you're going for, but i dont have enough experience with them to be of much help. all i know is that ive heard a few people say they sound bright and articulate, i guess 80s metal? try them out for yourself if you can.
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:56 pm
HaleStorm314 Gazlowe Orange amps are great. I've got a buddy who's dying for one because he likes their natural sounding overdrive. The overdrive is great and can get so heavy just perfect! I really dislike Line 6 they are just awful in my opinion but I know some people like them, my friend said his Line 6 spider was better then my Marshall Plexi so you know some people think they are the greatest no matter how wrong they are mrgreen (that was very tongue in cheek) line 6 over a marshall plexi!?!?!??! eek !!
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:06 pm
Raider83 I have been curious about those spider valves. I should try one out. The 6505 combo I think goes for 1200 new, but I don't know about used. and I know anything Mesa is pretty expensive. Anyone know anything about those new Randalls? the ones where you can switch out the ciruitry? I know Kirk Hammett got on board with that line and a few others. But how good does it sound? I agree with who ever said Line 6 over the plexi. I know everyone loves plexi's but I just have never been a fan of Marshall. I've tried out some Marshall stacks andthe TSL, but just ended up disappointed. the only marshall i still kinda want to try is the MF i heard that was a good one. ok dude, listen up. first: i already said ive seen a 6505+ in mint condition (half stack) go for $950 used, and you can get a 5150/6505 head for like $600 on ebay and the combos dont go for much more. i cant stand new marshalls, the TSL left me very disappointed as well, but theyre NOTHING like an original plexi cranked properly and comparing a TSL and plexi is nothing short of an electric guitar TRAVESTY! shame! seriously the line 6 has multiple models based on old school marshalls that fail miserably at getting anywhere near the real thing. also the mark four is the worst marshall amp ive ever heard since the mg combos (i think the mg head might have actually done its single decent sound better than any of the sounds the mark four did). i know a lot of people would agree with me and i dont know where you heard they were good (maybe the same place you got off saying plexis arent good because TSLs suck?).
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:19 pm
I know it sounds like im 'S'ing the plexi's 'D' in here, but if it were between a plexi and a mark IV, I would be bashing the plexi, if it were between the plexi and a k-tre, again, forget the plexi, if it were between a plexi and a dorado, the plexi would be the lesser. I think this is the first time ive ever stood up for a marshall amp, but when youre putting it below line 6, thats just wrong because it really is a great amp that is a huge part of rock history.
i feel like my eyes have been raped. the guitar world is crying.
that kid needs to play a REAL amp - the kind with TUBES to understand how wrong he is.
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:38 am
Just to clear this up, can you link me to a Marshall Mark IV? I've never heard of one; just the Mesa Boogie variety. And if you put those below plexi's then I'm going to vomit.
Understandably, they're superior to Line 6 stuff, but the recent Spider Valves have got some character to them. They're not going to sound or respond exactly like the amp they're modeling, but they don't need to.
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:00 am
Gazlowe Raider83 I have been curious about those spider valves. I should try one out. The 6505 combo I think goes for 1200 new, but I don't know about used. and I know anything Mesa is pretty expensive. Anyone know anything about those new Randalls? the ones where you can switch out the ciruitry? I know Kirk Hammett got on board with that line and a few others. But how good does it sound? I agree with who ever said Line 6 over the plexi. I know everyone loves plexi's but I just have never been a fan of Marshall. I've tried out some Marshall stacks andthe TSL, but just ended up disappointed. the only marshall i still kinda want to try is the MF i heard that was a good one. ok dude, listen up. first: i already said ive seen a 6505+ in mint condition (half stack) go for $950 used, and you can get a 5150/6505 head for like $600 on ebay and the combos dont go for much more. i cant stand new marshalls, the TSL left me very disappointed as well, but theyre NOTHING like an original plexi cranked properly and comparing a TSL and plexi is nothing short of an electric guitar TRAVESTY! shame! seriously the line 6 has multiple models based on old school marshalls that fail miserably at getting anywhere near the real thing. also the mark four is the worst marshall amp ive ever heard since the mg combos (i think the mg head might have actually done its single decent sound better than any of the sounds the mark four did). i know a lot of people would agree with me and i dont know where you heard they were good (maybe the same place you got off saying plexis arent good because TSLs suck?). First, thats cool you like plexi, but I've never heard one in person that was worth a dam. Thats where I get off saying they suck. Personal experience. Everytime I've heard one it sounds like it was the best amp back in the 70's! Second, I don't think we are talking about the same amp here. When I said MF I was talkin about the Mode Four. I've never heard it called the mark four. Third, sounds to me like you're gettin off the subject here. I'm askin for opinions on amps and you are giving me your opinion on my opinion. If a plexi gets you off thats fine, but don't sit there and tell me what I should like and that I'm wrong for liking something different. Also, great bullet to your arguement. Thats exactly why I want to spend thousands...because I'm a rock historian.
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:12 am
The Randalls might be worth a try and sounds like that Spider valve too. But til I try those the 6505 is at the top of the list for now. Did you ever try the first Spider? It was pretty good.
Anyone ever remember that Yamaha DG100?
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:42 pm
Gazlowe HaleStorm314 Gazlowe Orange amps are great. I've got a buddy who's dying for one because he likes their natural sounding overdrive. The overdrive is great and can get so heavy just perfect! I really dislike Line 6 they are just awful in my opinion but I know some people like them, my friend said his Line 6 spider was better then my Marshall Plexi so you know some people think they are the greatest no matter how wrong they are mrgreen (that was very tongue in cheek) line 6 over a marshall plexi!?!?!??! eek !! Because opinions are clearly a matter of fiction. Personally I have a spider III 15 watt that works PERFECT for a practice, and warm-up amp. They get a terrible rap because of audiophiles that can't get past the fact that they are completely budget amps for people that can't afford those big expensive Mesa/Marshal/Randal/Peavey etc... stack. My half stack consists of a Fender FM412 cab, and a Hartke 100H head. All together, it cost me just over $400 because the Hartke was is like three years old (But in box still), and the Fender was a floor model at guitar center that was marked WAAAAAAAAY down. Guess what? It works perfectly. Would I like to have a Mesa/marshal, etc...? Of coarse, but not everybody can afford these things. I'm not trying to start an argument, but really, be a little more accepting of peoples opinions. I do understand though that you're only trying to help from your own personal experience, and thank you for that.
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:16 pm
hylianhero27 Just to clear this up, can you link me to a Marshall Mark IV? I've never heard of one; just the Mesa Boogie variety. And if you put those below plexi's then I'm going to vomit. Understandably, they're superior to Line 6 stuff, but the recent Spider Valves have got some character to them. They're not going to sound or respond exactly like the amp they're modeling, but they don't need to. i meant the mark IV was above the plexi and the mode four was below it. sorry for the confusion, i accidentally said mark instead of mode for the marshall
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:20 pm
Raider83 Gazlowe Raider83 I have been curious about those spider valves. I should try one out. The 6505 combo I think goes for 1200 new, but I don't know about used. and I know anything Mesa is pretty expensive. Anyone know anything about those new Randalls? the ones where you can switch out the ciruitry? I know Kirk Hammett got on board with that line and a few others. But how good does it sound? I agree with who ever said Line 6 over the plexi. I know everyone loves plexi's but I just have never been a fan of Marshall. I've tried out some Marshall stacks andthe TSL, but just ended up disappointed. the only marshall i still kinda want to try is the MF i heard that was a good one. ok dude, listen up. first: i already said ive seen a 6505+ in mint condition (half stack) go for $950 used, and you can get a 5150/6505 head for like $600 on ebay and the combos dont go for much more. i cant stand new marshalls, the TSL left me very disappointed as well, but theyre NOTHING like an original plexi cranked properly and comparing a TSL and plexi is nothing short of an electric guitar TRAVESTY! shame! seriously the line 6 has multiple models based on old school marshalls that fail miserably at getting anywhere near the real thing. also the mark four is the worst marshall amp ive ever heard since the mg combos (i think the mg head might have actually done its single decent sound better than any of the sounds the mark four did). i know a lot of people would agree with me and i dont know where you heard they were good (maybe the same place you got off saying plexis arent good because TSLs suck?). First, thats cool you like plexi, but I've never heard one in person that was worth a dam. Thats where I get off saying they suck. Personal experience. Everytime I've heard one it sounds like it was the best amp back in the 70's! Second, I don't think we are talking about the same amp here. When I said MF I was talkin about the Mode Four. I've never heard it called the mark four. Third, sounds to me like you're gettin off the subject here. I'm askin for opinions on amps and you are giving me your opinion on my opinion. If a plexi gets you off thats fine, but don't sit there and tell me what I should like and that I'm wrong for liking something different. Also, great bullet to your arguement. Thats exactly why I want to spend thousands...because I'm a rock historian. yes, i mean mode four, my bad. if i really meant mark four i wouldve said mark IV just to clear up any confusion. and the rock history part was just to show that theyre widely accepted as good amps. but you said you heard the tsl and it gave you the mindset that the plexi sucks, which is not the case as they sound very different
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:25 pm
PunkRockFaces Gazlowe HaleStorm314 Gazlowe Orange amps are great. I've got a buddy who's dying for one because he likes their natural sounding overdrive. The overdrive is great and can get so heavy just perfect! I really dislike Line 6 they are just awful in my opinion but I know some people like them, my friend said his Line 6 spider was better then my Marshall Plexi so you know some people think they are the greatest no matter how wrong they are mrgreen (that was very tongue in cheek) line 6 over a marshall plexi!?!?!??! eek !! Because opinions are clearly a matter of fiction. Personally I have a spider III 15 watt that works PERFECT for a practice, and warm-up amp. They get a terrible rap because of audiophiles that can't get past the fact that they are completely budget amps for people that can't afford those big expensive Mesa/Marshal/Randal/Peavey etc... stack. My half stack consists of a Fender FM412 cab, and a Hartke 100H head. All together, it cost me just over $400 because the Hartke was is like three years old (But in box still), and the Fender was a floor model at guitar center that was marked WAAAAAAAAY down. Guess what? It works perfectly. Would I like to have a Mesa/marshal, etc...? Of coarse, but not everybody can afford these things. I'm not trying to start an argument, but really, be a little more accepting of peoples opinions. I do understand though that you're only trying to help from your own personal experience, and thank you for that. i cant stand them because they sound so digital. it completely covers up your playing and the only thing i cant get past is that he prefers them over an amp thats not my fav, but nevertheless far superior in tone and expressiveness. i mean most of the settings on the line 6 dont even sound like youre playing a real guitar theyre so digital and fake.
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:46 pm
today i saw a dude trying to show people how solid state was equal or better than tube, he had the best quality solid state amp in production (that i know of) and played it alongside a pretty cheap tube amp that actually sounded pretty solid state and even though he had the gain up really high on both, it was obvious which was the tube.
he was trying to fool us, too. one amp was played through the left channel and the other through the right and we were supposed to guess, but they really didnt sound very similar
every single person who guessed not only guessed right, but said they preferred the tube sound. im pretty audiophile-eske as you can tell, but i gotta say i wasnt even predicting the difference to be as drastic as it was.
/end rant
okay no more solid state versus tube arguments, sorry for being snappy guys.
i actually own both a solid state and a hybrid amp, i got them because they were cheap, versatile and sounded ok. i by no means think solid state is useless, i have just experienced and accepted tube superiority and the only possible way my brain can accept someone liking the spider III over a plexi is to assume that person does not have adequate experience with quality amps.
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:11 am
anyone ever heard anything about the Ashdown Fallen Angel amps?
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