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 Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:30 am
i dunno i see it as the black people have allowed them to say it, serriously you say it to each other allow it to be said in your movies......the poor white american kids are gonna say it wat you expect.
now in africa the most racist word word you can say to a black african is the word Kaffir (you see it being said in blood diamond) it means non believer it the most insulting thing you can call them, in comparrison they dont even flinch when the N word is said to them.
and in south africa the most insulting racial slur you can say to us white africans is umlungu (means white devil).
my point is we never allow it to be said casually in our sociaties, even in our movies its almost never said......so you cant blame the white kids in america for using it freely, you have allowed them to say it in the sense you use it......then the concept of what gives you the right to use it and they cant.
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:57 am
General Anubis_Ratha i dunno i see it as the black people have allowed them to say it, serriously you say it to each other allow it to be said in your movies......the poor white american kids are gonna say it wat you expect. now in africa the most racist word word you can say to a black african is the word Kaffir (you see it being said in blood diamond) it means non believer it the most insulting thing you can call them, in comparrison they dont even flinch when the N word is said to them. and in south africa the most insulting racial slur you can say to us white africans is umlungu (means white devil). my point is we never allow it to be said casually in our sociaties, even in our movies its almost never said......so you cant blame the white kids in america for using it freely, you have allowed them to say it in the sense you use it......then the concept of what gives you the right to use it and they cant. Well said, but there inlays the problem: the proverbial can of worms is open, and there is no going back into the can. All people in America can and/or do say the word for various reasons; it's a term of endearment to some, a racial slur to others. It's very possible that the person saying it and the person hearing it can both have a different feeling about the word. It's unique and tragic in that way. Until those who are glamorized and looked up to, and not to mentioned well-paid, for using that word, it is going to remain in our vocabulary. I understand that some people say using it as a term of endearment takes the stigma away from the word. An equally effective way would be to just refrain from using it altogether...especially when it comes to such far-reaching mediums as music and movies. Hmm...
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:42 pm
Passion_Dragon General Anubis_Ratha i dunno i see it as the black people have allowed them to say it, serriously you say it to each other allow it to be said in your movies......the poor white american kids are gonna say it wat you expect. now in africa the most racist word word you can say to a black african is the word Kaffir (you see it being said in blood diamond) it means non believer it the most insulting thing you can call them, in comparrison they dont even flinch when the N word is said to them. and in south africa the most insulting racial slur you can say to us white africans is umlungu (means white devil). my point is we never allow it to be said casually in our sociaties, even in our movies its almost never said......so you cant blame the white kids in america for using it freely, you have allowed them to say it in the sense you use it......then the concept of what gives you the right to use it and they cant. Well said, but there inlays the problem: the proverbial can of worms is open, and there is no going back into the can. All people in America can and/or do say the word for various reasons; it's a term of endearment to some, a racial slur to others. It's very possible that the person saying it and the person hearing it can both have a different feeling about the word. It's unique and tragic in that way. Until those who are glamorized and looked up to, and not to mentioned well-paid, for using that word, it is going to remain in our vocabulary. I understand that some people say using it as a term of endearment takes the stigma away from the word. An equally effective way would be to just refrain from using it altogether...especially when it comes to such far-reaching mediums as music and movies. Hmm... ha ha then the saying " why cry over spilt milk ?" its done no going back so their is no reason to actually give the word emotional attachment. In a sense your only hurting yourselves when you hear this now "Free" word being said. thats what i do when i get called an umlungu. there's a very prefound saying in my country, and it gets said all the time ha ha its : " Get over it bru !"...not to seem insulting but dont you think its time to grow up and not be bothered by silly little things like name calling, you know sticks and stones we all get taught that as kids.
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:13 am
General Anubis_Ratha Passion_Dragon General Anubis_Ratha i dunno i see it as the black people have allowed them to say it, serriously you say it to each other allow it to be said in your movies......the poor white american kids are gonna say it wat you expect. now in africa the most racist word word you can say to a black african is the word Kaffir (you see it being said in blood diamond) it means non believer it the most insulting thing you can call them, in comparrison they dont even flinch when the N word is said to them. and in south africa the most insulting racial slur you can say to us white africans is umlungu (means white devil). my point is we never allow it to be said casually in our sociaties, even in our movies its almost never said......so you cant blame the white kids in america for using it freely, you have allowed them to say it in the sense you use it......then the concept of what gives you the right to use it and they cant. Well said, but there inlays the problem: the proverbial can of worms is open, and there is no going back into the can. All people in America can and/or do say the word for various reasons; it's a term of endearment to some, a racial slur to others. It's very possible that the person saying it and the person hearing it can both have a different feeling about the word. It's unique and tragic in that way. Until those who are glamorized and looked up to, and not to mentioned well-paid, for using that word, it is going to remain in our vocabulary. I understand that some people say using it as a term of endearment takes the stigma away from the word. An equally effective way would be to just refrain from using it altogether...especially when it comes to such far-reaching mediums as music and movies. Hmm... ha ha then the saying " why cry over spilt milk ?" its done no going back so their is no reason to actually give the word emotional attachment. In a sense your only hurting yourselves when you hear this now "Free" word being said. thats what i do when i get called an umlungu. there's a very prefound saying in my country, and it gets said all the time ha ha its : " Get over it bru !"...not to seem insulting but dont you think its time to grow up and not be bothered by silly little things like name calling, you know sticks and stones we all get taught that as kids. I think this is something that the younger generation is especially charged with (and, admittedly, good at): letting go of the attachment to the word, thereby reducing its stigma. There are many, many words that have passed on this way; they are no longer significantly stigmatic in the American language. 3nodding There are many people (older folks especially), who will always get emotional about the word. America is young, and the past 40-some years especially have seen great changes in the lives of all Americans, particularly black Americans. So, for some, saying "get over it" may be not only offensive, but also insensitive to the egregious plight they endured; but for others, I agree, it's a very fitting phrase. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:33 pm
Passion_Dragon General Anubis_Ratha Passion_Dragon General Anubis_Ratha i dunno i see it as the black people have allowed them to say it, serriously you say it to each other allow it to be said in your movies......the poor white american kids are gonna say it wat you expect. now in africa the most racist word word you can say to a black african is the word Kaffir (you see it being said in blood diamond) it means non believer it the most insulting thing you can call them, in comparrison they dont even flinch when the N word is said to them. and in south africa the most insulting racial slur you can say to us white africans is umlungu (means white devil). my point is we never allow it to be said casually in our sociaties, even in our movies its almost never said......so you cant blame the white kids in america for using it freely, you have allowed them to say it in the sense you use it......then the concept of what gives you the right to use it and they cant. Well said, but there inlays the problem: the proverbial can of worms is open, and there is no going back into the can. All people in America can and/or do say the word for various reasons; it's a term of endearment to some, a racial slur to others. It's very possible that the person saying it and the person hearing it can both have a different feeling about the word. It's unique and tragic in that way. Until those who are glamorized and looked up to, and not to mentioned well-paid, for using that word, it is going to remain in our vocabulary. I understand that some people say using it as a term of endearment takes the stigma away from the word. An equally effective way would be to just refrain from using it altogether...especially when it comes to such far-reaching mediums as music and movies. Hmm... ha ha then the saying " why cry over spilt milk ?" its done no going back so their is no reason to actually give the word emotional attachment. In a sense your only hurting yourselves when you hear this now "Free" word being said. thats what i do when i get called an umlungu. there's a very prefound saying in my country, and it gets said all the time ha ha its : " Get over it bru !"...not to seem insulting but dont you think its time to grow up and not be bothered by silly little things like name calling, you know sticks and stones we all get taught that as kids. I think this is something that the younger generation is especially charged with (and, admittedly, good at): letting go of the attachment to the word, thereby reducing its stigma. There are many, many words that have passed on this way; they are no longer significantly stigmatic in the American language. 3nodding There are many people (older folks especially), who will always get emotional about the word. America is young, and the past 40-some years especially have seen great changes in the lives of all Americans, particularly black Americans. So, for some, saying "get over it" may be not only offensive, but also insensitive to the egregious plight they endured; but for others, I agree, it's a very fitting phrase. 3nodding well its the same with me i live in south africa the country where nelson mandela comes from.......and in my short life of 23 ive seen a regime change they had to put the military in our schools because they feared the ANC, rioting in the streets......fearing for your life because your white and could be a target for a hate crime....revenge for the past apartheid masters. ive seen so many of my fellow white south africans leaving the country of their birth to return to their parent coutries.....its sad. knowing that you could fail an interview for just being white because the business has to hire the black guy even though he isnt as qualified as the white guy. you guys mite think white people have it easy where ever they go but i can tell you its a different story in africa.... now if the word umlugu doesnt hold any power over me why should ****** have any hold.......you see if people believe something has value or meaning, that thing gains it and starts becoming it, if you dont give it anythig it has no power and canot have a hold over you.
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Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 8:42 pm
I don't understand the confusion. It's an insult, duh. I don't care what rapper uses a word, that doesn't make it not okay. And if you're so dumb you can't think for yourself or perhaps research a term's history you deserve whatever happens to you if you say it. Rappers call women derogatory names, that doesn't make it okay. Lots of other people say derogatory names all the time. Does that make me say it's okay for me to be called b**tch, c***t, or anyother name? Absolutely NOT. It doesn't matter what SOME people consider ok.
Honestly, that's what's wrong with kids now. It's about respect for other people. What kind of person are you to want to even DESIRE to call someone something that can be misconstrued as derogatory. I can't help but think if there were respect for other people this wouldn't be an issue.
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:54 am
It's one thing to say that people say "*****" on Gaia than when people in real life saying "*****." I don't have a problem with blacks saying it when it refers to "my friend" or "that person."
It's easier to do and say s**t like that online because no one can beat the s**t out of you when you say anything offensive. I don't even post on the GD because all I see is MySpace angel-like pics and Brits who think they are the s**t.
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:23 pm
It's an insult. I never use any variation of the word. And I hate seeing other people use it black or white. But it does seem to be a trend among white teens and that crap is annoying as hell and usually I have the strong urge to karate kick someone in the throat when i see/hear it.
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:57 pm
I have a lot of white friends and friends of other ethnics, and I must say, it's getting annoying hearing them say it out of their mouths. Even if we're friends, that's a word that shouldn't be used. I always give them the "face" whenever they do say it, to show them I don't like the title at all.
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:02 am
General Anubis_Ratha now if the word umlugu doesnt hold any power over me why should ****** have any hold.......you see if people believe something has value or meaning, that thing gains it and starts becoming it, if you dont give it anythig it has no power and canot have a hold over you. In a perfect world... But it isn't a perfect world. There are circumstances behind the word and that's what makes it not okay for white people to say it. What makes it okay for black people to say it? Changing times. Times haven't changed enough for white people to say it. If white people don't like it. Too bad. They can go against the grain and say what they want. It's not a tactful way of doing things but hey, if they want to say "******/*****" so bad then so be it. They should just be prepared for the consequences. And it's just plain disrespectful to a number of people that they think it's something to joke about. It's not okay for them. It's okay for us. Period. That's just the way it is.
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