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 Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:53 pm
I agree with DA on the fact that the cantina pretty much allows ya to say anything you want to anyway.
Although, doesn't it seem strange that those posts in opposition to des's idea tend to be insulted against, or ignored?
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:32 am
Des Voh Who ever said change the guild entirely....? You did. In the Mod Subforum. You said we had to remaked the entire guild. It seems you've developed selective memory.
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:48 am
I just ment a face-lift, not a personality makeover, thats just blasphemous.
As with the Cantina, have you seen just how fast conversations pass, I'm pretty sure I've said that already.
Also Skuld, I'm lacking to see how posts are being ignored, your just biased against me for some reason.
How about a new forum, we could call it the 'Unknown Regions', dedicated to other interests for discussion or rp. It'll keep things out of the Main Forum and the Outer Rim which is our game forum. It would also show how diverse we are as a guild, but not straying away of what we really are.
And I hardly see how guild development is off topic.
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:23 pm
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Darkened Angel Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:01 pm
Des Voh How about a new forum, we could call it the 'Unknown Regions', dedicated to other interests for discussion or rp. It'll keep things out of the Main Forum and the Outer Rim which is our game forum. It would also show how diverse we are as a guild, but not straying away of what we really are. Did you miss my post or are you just agreeing with it? Darkened Angel Maybe make threads in the Outer Rim, or add another subforum to serve as " Other Sci-Fi Things " places, keeping them out of the main forum so that it's clear that the main theme is still SW, so the " official " part isn't lost.
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:43 pm
Or, the forum for other stuff could be called "Gateway to other worlds." Or, "Extra-galactic regions". Be creative!
I also propose a serious amendment for moderators and members alike: Namely, the discussion of real world politics and religion being disallowed. This is in response to many an incident in which such discussion has led to much internal strife, particularly when remarks are meant or taken as barbs against others. I'm sure a review of guild history supports my remarks in this matter.
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:57 pm
I was agreeing with it.
Also, it'd be better to stick with a name more Star Wars related, even if the threads within are not, maybe a note next to the name addressing the difference, thus to keep our tradition and officialism.
But it doesn't even HAVE to be Sci-fi related, it could be anime, TV, etc... Sort of a general forum.
CW, maybe you should put that idea into the Senate, its actually a legitimate amendment compared to others which have been there. It'll give the forum a jump start into all of this development a swell seeing how its gathering dust.
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:34 pm
Wow ... re-opening me desk for what is most likely one amendment ... xd
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:54 am
Tis a jolly good cause tho.
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:25 am
True, but I wonder... can everyone really not talk about things like christmas? Easter? not even mention it at all?
Banning discussion of religon and politics would mean a complete silencing of such topics. Even if people think of it as extreme, you'd have to be seriously considering where you want to make the line in the sand as to what's allowed or not before even thinking of bringing such a topic up.
I can so see the whole "no talking of politics or religeon" thing passing, someone bringing up christmas, one thing leads to another, and bam. We're in a pissing pot of discussion completely over why one thing is allowed and another thing is not...
While such an idea may be "admirable" to people, I can also see it as trying to bandage a wound which needs stitching. Call me worried, but I think part of the problem is so few mods are willing to step in and provide ample jurisdiction, and the few that do have the willingness to are often stuck as the combatant. I'm not citing anyone in particular, because I too get forced into the situation.
Point being, I'd suggest thinking just how far you'd take a ban like that into account, especially the wording, before haphazardly proposing the idea. Rule changes are done with the wording provided in a resolution, and poor wording could very well lead not to less strife, but more... I'm not debating this, but does everyone see where I'm comign from?
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:05 pm
Nelowulf True, but I wonder... can everyone really not talk about things like christmas? Easter? not even mention it at all? Well, while I am aware that holidays are a big thing around their respective time of year, I personally acknowledge the generic, secular aspect of such. Quote: Banning discussion of religon and politics would mean a complete silencing of such topics. Even if people think of it as extreme, you'd have to be seriously considering where you want to make the line in the sand as to what's allowed or not before even thinking of bringing such a topic up. Well, not flaming folks for disagreeing with them would be a nice start. Granted, you - thankfully - are not guilty of this. Others, however ... Quote: I can so see the whole "no talking of politics or religeon" thing passing, someone bringing up christmas, one thing leads to another, and bam. We're in a pissing pot of discussion completely over why one thing is allowed and another thing is not... It's one thing to say "Jolly g'd christmas to you!" However, another thing entirely to say "Convert, or I'll burn your a** at the stake!" Quote: While such an idea may be "admirable" to people, I can also see it as trying to bandage a wound which needs stitching. Call me worried, but I think part of the problem is so few mods are willing to step in and provide ample jurisdiction, and the few that do have the willingness to are often stuck as the combatant. I'm not citing anyone in particular, because I too get forced into the situation. That is indeed a problem, isn't it? And, with that, perhaps it's time to consider new talent to the roster? Quote: Point being, I'd suggest thinking just how far you'd take a ban like that into account, especially the wording, before haphazardly proposing the idea. Rule changes are done with the wording provided in a resolution, and poor wording could very well lead not to less strife, but more... I'm not debating this, but does everyone see where I'm comign from? Your points are taken. And, with that, I'm all ears for any proposals along these lines.
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:33 pm
As he said though, the problem is finding where to draw the line on whats acceptable and whats not, as it appears common sense on such things is lacking.
Its good to have standards, but we don't want to be seen as uptight. Bad for business.
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:08 pm
Not to mention, there's differences between debate and just plain arguing. Debates can be rather heated at times, but they're still managable. Honestly, if you wanted something like that to happen, you may want to consider really thinking through something.
I personally wouldn't mind debating politics or religeon from time to time, but that's why you've got to come up with ways to sway people who are interested. its a rather broad topic to totally dismiss, as you're also including limiting discussion not just on christian vs. anti-christian mythos, but also talk aobut friends and others who practice, and any discussion you might have about "other people". And scientology bashing would fall under that defense as well, might I add....
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:37 pm
I must ask this with absolute frankness, then. Given the number of guilds that are in existance for virtually any belief along those lines - religious and political - not to mention the Extended Discussion forum, is there really any need for such here?
Though if the council still insists that it should be allowed, then why not consider a subforum for it?
Secondly, I thought this guild was supposed to be about fun? Not much fun IMO in debating the aforementioned matters. Conversely, lots of fun to be had in speculating what's under the hood of a Mon Cal class cruiser, and comparing to the Enterprise, or a battlestar. xd
That, class, is my idea of FUN!
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Darkened Angel Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:40 pm
Dude, Picard could so kick Vader's a**.
No way, Vader's lightsaber would pwn Picard's phaser.
Shut up, Nerf Herder!
You shut up, Trekkie!
Womp rat!
Romulan!
Etc.
Any kinda debate can ( and unfortuntately does more often than not ) end up in a heated arguement.
However, we could perhaps have no restrctions on what's allowed or not allowed, but have everything on a " wait and see " deal. Like, debating politics is fine, provided the people involved can remain civil. If it's only a select few who end up always making it into personal attacks, they get dealt with, etc. but if nobody can have a debate with it with any sense of decency, then we don't have it anymore, etc.
I don't see how else we can really see what we can and can't have around here. To suddenly go, " Nope, not having that. " is like saying we're deciding beforehand nobody in the guild is mature enough, etc. That's my 2 cents on that issue.
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