Language name still an issue to pursue, I have developed a great method of forming vocabulary. Would any object if I were to simply post a poem, once in English and again with what will become my language?
Of course I am doing this mainly for grammar and vocabulary building purposes, and so the poem may lose rhyme scheme or meter in doing so. I'm sure the words will be sexy enough in pronunciation that you won't mind, though.
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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:43 am
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Language name still an issue to pursue, I have developed a great method of forming vocabulary. Would any object if I were to simply post a poem, once in English and again with what will become my language?
Of course I am doing this mainly for grammar and vocabulary building purposes, and so the poem may lose rhyme scheme or meter in doing so. I'm sure the words will be sexy enough in pronunciation that you won't mind, though.
That's exactly what Lissa did with Yiwoyuwa. (She always has some Disney song she's translating.) I've done that a little bit, but Niora is kinda... culturally weird, so most of that stuff won't work with it unless it's original poetry. Still a valuable thing, though. =) You should write a story that keeps in mind the culture of your conworld and then translate that. That way, you have the vocab that these people would actually use. =)
EDIT: Hey, translate your signature! That sounds cool in English, how would it sound in... wait you don't have a name yet... =/
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:33 pm
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Gah x_x Sorry I have been gone so long. School and tutoring kept me busy as hell, then I spent the past 3 days in bed. I've had no free time to get up or even crack open my notebook.
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+ This language is not part of a fantasy world nor do I have a culture in mind. It is meant to be a language and nothing more.
+ I am still debating whether or not to change z for s. When I asked around everyone seemed in unanimous agreement that vocalized letters sounded better than non-vocalized, but I personally preferred s and I now have a friend telling me s is better. Expect future confusion between z and s (maybe I will say that both pronunciations are acceptable and end the whole debate)
+ New vocabulary creation has been at a stand-still. Here's what I've got (not much):
pμrsμnμl pronauns:
pμrsμn - singiulμr - plμrul
vrst - uo - uis sekμnd - dau - dais θrd -
poseσμn:
"my ___" -> "___ of me" "Nick's ___" -> "Nick ___" (English proper nouns act as adjectives)
Another note on proper nouns: to just say "Nick" would be "Nick person"
preposτσμns:
to/at/towards -> eta of/from -> min at (a place) -> al
And our only verb so far:
to be -> σei / σenai
Example sentence:
uo σenai al = "I am not home"
+ One last point before I have to go- I have put thought into grammar. More thought, that is.
As you can see, I have decided to put subject first. I considered verb first for a while, but I don't want to make the language difficult to learn. So we're following European standards.
Also, I have decided to have separate words for helper verbs. Verbs are only conjugated based on positive vs. negative. Note that which verb is negative will be very important when dealing with helper verbs. "~need eat" and "need ~eat" are "I don't need to eat" and "I need to not eat" respectively.
Past and future tense will be designated by separate words, as well. Words which translate something like "back then" and "later" will be applied after a verb. "I need to eat back then" = "I needed to eat", "I don't need to eat later" = "I will not need to eat"
Also, there will be separate words for preterit and imperfect forms. I have been tutoring in Spanish way to long to think that the two have similar meanings. If you "walked" or "were walking", those imply two different things. Perhaps these will translate more like "back then once" and "back then continuously"
Adjectives will come before a word. Proper nouns are adjectives. Any adjective may function as an adverb, but I may have a tense change to do so.
I am still considering a subject-marker and object-marker (akin to the Japanese "wa" and "o"). These may be added later, which would change the example sentence above to:
uo σenai
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:42 pm
I think I have an idea for language naming.
Base the language name on the name of an animal. The language is supposed to be beautiful, flowing, smooth, sexy, and graceful. Ideas of animals/names that have similar descriptions:
fox (vulpus) - faks (volpμs) tiger (panthera) - taiga (panθera) cat (felis) - kat (filτs) viper (atractaspididae) - vaipμr (atraktaspτdτei)
Of course modified versions of these would work, as well. If volpμs seems too unoriginal, vilpμ could be tried.
I'm personally very (very) fond of foxes, so if anyone can think of the prettiest sounding modification of volpμs, they can win the 10k gold contest.
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I think I have an idea for language naming.
Base the language name on the name of an animal. The language is supposed to be beautiful, flowing, smooth, sexy, and graceful. Ideas of animals/names that have similar descriptions:
fox (vulpus) - faks (volpμs) tiger (panthera) - taiga (panθera) cat (felis) - kat (filτs) viper (atractaspididae) - vaipμr (atraktaspτdτei)
Of course modified versions of these would work, as well. If volpμs seems too unoriginal, vilpμ could be tried.
I'm personally very (very) fond of foxes, so if anyone can think of the prettiest sounding modification of volpμs, they can win the 10k gold contest.
What about horses? They seem to fit the description, at least in my mind. =)
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:31 pm
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I think I have an idea for language naming.
Base the language name on the name of an animal. The language is supposed to be beautiful, flowing, smooth, sexy, and graceful. Ideas of animals/names that have similar descriptions:
fox (vulpus) - faks (volpμs) tiger (panthera) - taiga (panθera) cat (felis) - kat (filτs) viper (atractaspididae) - vaipμr (atraktaspτdτei)
Of course modified versions of these would work, as well. If volpμs seems too unoriginal, vilpμ could be tried.
I'm personally very (very) fond of foxes, so if anyone can think of the prettiest sounding modification of volpμs, they can win the 10k gold contest.
What about horses? They seem to fit the description, at least in my mind. =)
I actually always imagine horses as a more powerful and practical animal. I don't envision it as the cunning and charming, but more of the capable and strong-willed.
Although the word "equine" is very pretty...
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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:46 pm
Eilihuen alemour Ethuena thelamou nialeu
any ideas?
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:24 pm
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Eilihuen alemour Ethuena thelamou nialeu
any ideas?
I like alemour. It also sounds a lot like the Spanish "alma" (soul), and like "amor" (love, in many languages). I think just change it to make it more fluidly pronounced and we may have a winner.
Almua, maybe? Almara? Alemur, even. The "our" (oh-oo-r) just didn't flow well.
Yup 3nodding I like Alemur. A quick run by Amber and we may have a winner ^_^
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:38 pm
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Eilihuen alemour Ethuena thelamou nialeu
any ideas?
I like alemour. It also sounds a lot like the Spanish "alma" (soul), and like "amor" (love, in many languages). I think just change it to make it more fluidly pronounced and we may have a winner.
Almua, maybe? Almara? Alemur, even. The "our" (oh-oo-r) just didn't flow well.
Yup 3nodding I like Alemur. A quick run by Amber and we may have a winner ^_^
your actually write I was thinking of spanish soul lover when I made that one LOL sweet!
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:02 pm
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Eilihuen alemour Ethuena thelamou nialeu
any ideas?
I like alemour. It also sounds a lot like the Spanish "alma" (soul), and like "amor" (love, in many languages). I think just change it to make it more fluidly pronounced and we may have a winner.
Almua, maybe? Almara? Alemur, even. The "our" (oh-oo-r) just didn't flow well.
Yup 3nodding I like Alemur. A quick run by Amber and we may have a winner ^_^
your actually write I was thinking of spanish soul lover when I made that one LOL sweet!
Wow xd Great minds, huh?
I'm actually looking through pages of notes I made at one point about ideas and suggestions for the language and I stumbled upon and idea that I might re-instate. Also it will only require that I change one word since the vocabulary currently is beyond tiny xd
I considered making a rule that if a word contains a hard consonant (t, d, p, etc.) then it will only be allowed at the beginning of the word. This would allow for a separation between separate words in a sentence without putting a hard stop in the middle of a word. It would make the language more fluid (theoretically) but also put a serious stopper on vocabulary possibilities. My fear is that it would turn out sounding too much like a snake language.
If we did such, we would have to change the word "eta" (to/towards/at). Probably to "esa" or "eθa" or something similar. I may just not do that, though. It almost seems too complicated.
Oh- and if you haven't seen, a new contest is up. We need vocabulary! Hopefully we can keep the number of words minimal like in Toki Pona. Hopefully we won't be afraid to have more than 118 words, though. Toki Pona is a fun idea, but it gets ridiculous when there is no way to refer to a stranger or no verb for "follow".
I'm thinking if we had a word for family, a word for man, and a word for peer, then "brother" would be unnecessary (a male family peer). Then we need only add the word for superior and we have a male family superior (father). Then a supervisor or boss, rather than have a new word to memorize, would just be "male superior" without the family. What are your suggestions on this idea? Going too far?
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Eilihuen alemour Ethuena thelamou nialeu
any ideas?
I like alemour. It also sounds a lot like the Spanish "alma" (soul), and like "amor" (love, in many languages). I think just change it to make it more fluidly pronounced and we may have a winner.
Almua, maybe? Almara? Alemur, even. The "our" (oh-oo-r) just didn't flow well.
Yup 3nodding I like Alemur. A quick run by Amber and we may have a winner ^_^
your actually write I was thinking of spanish soul lover when I made that one LOL sweet!
Wow xd Great minds, huh?
I'm actually looking through pages of notes I made at one point about ideas and suggestions for the language and I stumbled upon and idea that I might re-instate. Also it will only require that I change one word since the vocabulary currently is beyond tiny xd
I considered making a rule that if a word contains a hard consonant (t, d, p, etc.) then it will only be allowed at the beginning of the word. This would allow for a separation between separate words in a sentence without putting a hard stop in the middle of a word. It would make the language more fluid (theoretically) but also put a serious stopper on vocabulary possibilities. My fear is that it would turn out sounding too much like a snake language.
If we did such, we would have to change the word "eta" (to/towards/at). Probably to "esa" or "eθa" or something similar. I may just not do that, though. It almost seems too complicated.
Oh- and if you haven't seen, a new contest is up. We need vocabulary! Hopefully we can keep the number of words minimal like in Toki Pona. Hopefully we won't be afraid to have more than 118 words, though. Toki Pona is a fun idea, but it gets ridiculous when there is no way to refer to a stranger or no verb for "follow".
I'm thinking if we had a word for family, a word for man, and a word for peer, then "brother" would be unnecessary (a male family peer). Then we need only add the word for superior and we have a male family superior (father). Then a supervisor or boss, rather than have a new word to memorize, would just be "male superior" without the family. What are your suggestions on this idea? Going too far?
thats actually a great idea! in Tokeil Meanicunei I just created Fixxes (which I use to change words meanings and even sentences but you'd have to go read my forum on that one to understand, its complicated for me eheh) anyway thats a good idea I like it, and for words for family can be "arunia, or ahueni (super soft H)" as for man "barom, Aherem, or Feroin(fair oh een)" just a few suggestions, then for peer all ye need to do is maybe add a suffix, like -eya or -au or -neio. is just a few thoughts of mine if ye like any of them.
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:31 pm
Kawazoe Michiyo
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Wow xd Great minds, huh?
I'm actually looking through pages of notes I made at one point about ideas and suggestions for the language and I stumbled upon and idea that I might re-instate. Also it will only require that I change one word since the vocabulary currently is beyond tiny xd
I considered making a rule that if a word contains a hard consonant (t, d, p, etc.) then it will only be allowed at the beginning of the word. This would allow for a separation between separate words in a sentence without putting a hard stop in the middle of a word. It would make the language more fluid (theoretically) but also put a serious stopper on vocabulary possibilities. My fear is that it would turn out sounding too much like a snake language.
If we did such, we would have to change the word "eta" (to/towards/at). Probably to "esa" or "eθa" or something similar. I may just not do that, though. It almost seems too complicated.
Oh- and if you haven't seen, a new contest is up. We need vocabulary! Hopefully we can keep the number of words minimal like in Toki Pona. Hopefully we won't be afraid to have more than 118 words, though. Toki Pona is a fun idea, but it gets ridiculous when there is no way to refer to a stranger or no verb for "follow".
I'm thinking if we had a word for family, a word for man, and a word for peer, then "brother" would be unnecessary (a male family peer). Then we need only add the word for superior and we have a male family superior (father). Then a supervisor or boss, rather than have a new word to memorize, would just be "male superior" without the family. What are your suggestions on this idea? Going too far?
thats actually a great idea! in Tokeil Meanicunei I just created Fixxes (which I use to change words meanings and even sentences but you'd have to go read my forum on that one to understand, its complicated for me eheh) anyway thats a good idea I like it, and for words for family can be "arunia, or ahueni (super soft H)" as for man "barom, Aherem, or Feroin(fair oh een)" just a few suggestions, then for peer all ye need to do is maybe add a suffix, like -eya or -au or -neio. is just a few thoughts of mine if ye like any of them.
That's a good idea to consider, prefixes and suffixes. Many words in English are just Greek/Latin prefixes/suffixes mixed around. Arachnophobia, astrology, myocardium... Hell- using 3 prefixes and 3 suffixes (6 words) you can make 9 meanings.
If I were to make a language using prefixes and suffixes I need to come up with a good list of what would be prefix-worthy, what would be suffix-worthy, and what would be a base. - thinks -
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Alright. I have successfully scribbled out two pages of ideas, half of which got immediately scratched out and the other half of which I had to put thought into to scratch out.
I think suffixes should not exist. And prefixes will be special.
There will be a limited number, but they will be usable in any context and attached to any word. For instance- we could have a prefix for "to a great extent". We will refer to this as ~pre~ right now.
The prefix would basically imply that whatever it modifies is an exaggeration of the normal connotation. Similar prefixes could exist for "to a small extent", "opposite of", "bad version of", etc.
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