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Carlos Ralfer

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:27 pm


s**t, now this has just spiraled tremedously. He was agreeing with me on the fact that the 3rd Kazekage was the only person to be able to do that particular technique. It said so in the show. He was the only person able to do it. Now, as far as the Roga goes, you could easily write that off with one very simple word, Kakashi.

Kakashi saw the jutsu which means he MIGHT have copied it which means theres a thread of possibilitie that he taught it to someone else or someone else learned it by watching him use it or something.

This technique, there was no copying it cause it was his bloodline trait, a specialty that only he had. If anyone could learn it than Sasorie wouldn't have needed to make a puppet of him now would he? He only collected unique puppets right? So there ya go, no one else can have the Iron Sand. End of story.

And no, we don't have all the banned or restricted bloodlines up. Wanna know why? It's cause we are friggin human and we forget some ok? SO deal with it. If you can't then tough but have faith because, in the words of one of my illustrious friends,"Take a note that you too can be a great original ninja and move on!"
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:56 pm


u also forgot deidara's clan, zetsu's bloodlimit, and the rest of akatsuki for that matter..you should post this stuff.. and i dont see why my charry can not have it exclusivly.. and it does say that it was unique to him but it didnt say he was the only one who could use it.. that was also what they said about the first hokage.. yet Yamato has the bloodlimit even though it is under limited circumstances i understnad. but even tho its under these limited circumstances it would seem as if the admin/owner didnt mind to put the jutsu/bloodlimit under LIMITED.. not extinct as they should be. He didnt mind putting the clan/bloodlimits i did above.. and this is original because haveing an aburame clan, hyuuga clan, and uchiha clans are not original.. no one on this guild has this ability.. sounds kindof original to me, at least im not whining about becoming a MIghty UCHIHA OR HYUUGA.. i just want to make this work..i just want some reasons i cant have it..and no sasori had the 100 puppet show jutsu that had nothing signifcant or important about them.. just puppets with alot of poisonous weapons. the rest of his "unique" puppets could have been done by anyone with puppetry skill. and if you read the history it would explain all.. give it a chance please.and tellin me to deal with it doesnt make me go away.. no offense.. i think your doing a good job on this guild.

falconrules83


Hiro Knight Kansei

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:18 pm


This is just a little thing I want to say,but Yamato is basically a clone of the first.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:21 pm


basically.. that is why i said that.. even tho he is a clone.. he is the ONLY one BESIDES!!!!! the first hokage that can use the mokuton... i am the only one who can use the iron sand BESIDES!!!! the third kazekage.. i am stating that why is the mokuton legal and the Iron sand not. even tho its not posted as illegeal.. not to step on the mokuton's toes.. even tho they are wooden. smile

falconrules83


Hiro Knight Kansei

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:56 pm


Because Orochimaru never made clones out of the third kazekage.Like I said,there is a possible chance that the clone (yamato) taught it to others.
PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:21 pm


Or had kids or was cloned himself. Thats the story that the current owner of the bloodline is using. That he was created in a lab or something to that effect.

And again, the ability was Unique to the 3rd kazekage. He is dead now. If it was unique to him than he was the ONLY person that could use it. You'd have to be of his bloodline or cloned from him directly to do it. Sasorie took his body so theres no chance of him having been cloned cause being turned into a puppet would have taken anybiological data available for cloning out of the equation.

So again dude, this is not possible dammit. Now either leave it alone or I'll shut down your entire clan idea. I'm trying to be nice and leave it open so you can at least work on it from another angle but you just won't stop.

Carlos Ralfer


falconrules83

PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:39 am


its amazing that your not looking at the possiblities here.. it really does amaze me..reality check here.. and if were talking about impossibe... (having eyes that can see through walls, being able to control sand, making water/fire come out of your mouth without being harmed at all, being able to control the density of your bones and use them as weapons having snakes shoot out of your arms, being able to teleport, and summong giant frogs.. )= those are impossible... its a cartooon, anything is possible.. ill do what you say and refine/configure it a bit different but I am in no way letting it go..yamato STATED that NO ONE ELSE COULD USE THE TECHNIQUE.. the third kazekage never got to say this.. it was only assumed.. smile thank you.

as i looked over some of the (set) jutsu that the guild provides to everyone if found this.

Moku Bunshin no Jutsu (Wood Doppelganger Technique)
Creates a wooden replica of the user. Unlike other clone techniques, the replica originates from the user himself. This clone's ability to take hits is unknown.
Cp cost: 20
Damage: N/A
Requeriments: 1rst hokage bloodline
Training days:

Mokuton: Moku Joheki (Wood Release: Wood Locking Wall)
Creates a half-dome of wood to shield the user.
Cp cost: 40
Damage: N/A
Requeriments: First hokage Bloodline.
Training days:

Mokuton: Shichuka no Jutsu (Wood Release: Four Pillars House Technique)
This technique causes a fully-formed wooden house to grow out of the ground.
Cp cost: 70
Damage: N/A
Requeriments: First hokage bloodline.[/u]
Training days:


From the way i see it... WHAT BLOODLINE!?! i know i know.. the second was his brother.. tsunade was a decendant.. but hwne have you seen either use a MOKUTON technique.. never.. the second prefered water based jutsu and tsunade uses medical jutsu and strength. NO MOKUTON.. and here it comes. YAMATO! yamato's mokuton abilities were made after the death of the first hokage.. quite a while after..the body of the first could have been nothing but bones when oro got a hold of them..sasori on the other hand HAD FRESH bodies..which would allow cloning to go alot easier.

sasori states that when he makes a human puppet he first skins, bleeds, and removes all internal organs from the human..(could someone have use them to clone. hmm..you dont think sasori ate them do you.) and you have to think about the puppet itself.. do you actually think the magnetic chakra/any chakra for that matter, come from a wooden puppet.. no.. the thirds puppet had to have a heart or SOMETHING from where the chakra originates and is produced..the heart had to be in contact somehwere, i dont care if it was some kind of seal inside of the puppet.. the heart had to be contained in the seal.. after the puppet was destroyed a person COULD have found..(COULD,MAY HAVE, POSSIBLY, ITS ANIME it CAN happen.) and made clones or attempted to clone a copy of the third.. and you keep saying HE IS DEAD.. yes sir, i watch the manga/anime every week just like any other naruto fan.. which makes me think.. how many episodes did the third kazekage appear in when he was alive??? so how many siblings does he have, how many children does he have, how many uncles, and did his dad have the ability, his grandfather.. we dont know.. just like we dont know where the First HOkage got his ability and according to those jutsu he evadently had a bloodline according to you all. so why didnt the third kazekage have a bloodline... that is all im stating now.. a rebutal would be nice, but please dont close this until you look at all the facts.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:22 am


Ok, if its their kekkei genkai then how can everyone in the village do it? Not very secret or select if the whole village does it. Your wording, not mine. And your timeline is horribly off. The guild specifically states that the 6th Hokage (Naruto) died 600 years ago. Which means that the 3rd kazekage died MORE than 600 years ago. Granted, we don't know if he ever traveled to the land of Lightning but its pretty safe to say that if he was the KAZEKAGE, he wouldn't be FROM the land of lightning. The Land of lightning and Sunagakure are waaay to far apart, He wouldn't have traveled back and forth over and over even if he had family back in the land of lightning. You didn't mention once that they were from Sunagakure or moved to Sunagakure. You start off with them in the land of lightning and never mention them moving. Dude your history is flawed badly. Again, the 3rd Kazekage was the ONLY person who could use the technique at his time. The show specifically states this.

I'll give you this much, it was an interesting twist on HOW he was defeated and captured but ummmm, Sasori had the 3rd's head and hair from my memory. Also, if the ANBU had reported his death to the Head ANBU, at the very least Gaara's dad and the old couple, Sasori's grandma and grandpa(can never remember the old womans name) would have known about it. So that's flawed too.Remeber, no one in the village knew the 3rd Kazekage was dead. They knew he was missing but not dead. Sides, he would have needed to capture him alive in order for his orgins to keep functioning long enough for the chakra transfer. If he was dead his body wouldn't keep producing chakra anymore now would it? Granted he would kill them moments before the transfer but not too long.

While this isn't really a flaw, it seems weird that Gaara would want to challenge anyone other than Naruto or maybe Sasuke. He didn't care that much, specially after becoming the 5th. Sides, the sand village was poor, they wouldn't have had the money to fun cloning experiements, specially not for such a selfish reason. And why would prisoners be used? Cloning would only require the 3rd's DNA, no one else. Just doing a blood transfer(like what it sounds that they did) wouldn't give someone else his kekkei genkai I don't think. If that was the case they would have taken blood from other shinobi long ago and starte doing blood transfusions and dna manipulation. Hell, specially orochimaru. He would have engineered his own perfect body by now if they had that level of technology. And your saying only 2 years later so he would still be alive supposedly. Orochimaru I mean.

Also...there's almost no sand in the waterfall village(not important, just making an observation) and if he was poor and homeless...he wouldn't have had any kids now would he. He'd be dead more likly with no kids...granted its possible if he raped someone but still, his existance makes no sense. Also, eventually word would have gotten to the waterfall village of an escaped convict. (was he even a ninja before being a prisoner? If he wasn't eh wouldn't even know how to use his abilities) They may not look for him cause they may not think he's there but they'd eventually know about him. Not his origins cause Suna wouldn't have leaked he was a lab baby but still.

sooo sorry, but i'm gonna have to deny the clan.

Carlos Ralfer


Hiro Knight Kansei

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:57 am


I am sorry and I know you dont want to hear from me Carlos,but what is wrong with the clan?

He came about it the same way as Yamato.He is a clone of the 3rd Kazekage,so why wouldnt he have the technique?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:20 pm


Okay, I have to interject here... what exactly is wrong with allowing the blood-limit? It's not open to the public, and you can tell that he has put ALOT of thought into it. SERIOUSLY! LOOK AT THAT HISTORY! THAT is original. I do agree that it should be tweaked and altered just a bit, but denying the clan solely on it's lack of believable history is just cruel.

I can take over for this clan if you'd like, and then when it's completely done, I can have you review it. I just don't think that a clan should be denied like this. If there's no originality, by all means, deny it...

I know, I know, I'm a broken record, and the last thing I want to do is piss you off... but it's not like he just waltzed in, posted this clan, and did zero research on it before posting it.
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Just as a side note, the jutsu does need work... like it's damage. razz

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falconrules83

PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:19 pm


thank you both for your opinons and thoughts..i am working on it however and im sorry to cause so many problems.. i never thought it would be this hard to get something approved.. i did think it over alot and put alot of time into it.. but i will continue to work and yes i will send it to whomever would like to look over it.. thank you very much.
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:16 pm


Actually, it's not impossible. Third Kazekage's bloodlimit. I mean, Shodaime's Senju clan...even though originally the chance of the limit being passed down to offspring was low, it was expressed that it was possible to recreate the clan by means of genetic engineering (Yamato). Well...Third Kazekage had to come from somewhere. A family member or such, even if the trait is dormant, it should still be there. Even if the Third's body wasn't recovered for cloning, someone may have been senile enough to try and pull out the dormant trait from dead family members. Ashes are still usable - wasn't that all was left of Shodaime Hokage? I mean come'on...with Sasori from Suna...an Orochimaru-like possibility isn't too far.

I wish you luck with the revision. ^.^

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falconrules83

PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:23 pm


REVISED!!! BUMP
PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:58 pm


Holy ******** for the language,but honestly Carlos,its ridiculous he had to type up a giant masterpiece just to get you to try and approve it.It seems extremely plausible,and highly likely that that would have/could have happened.

Hiro Knight Kansei


Carlos Ralfer

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:25 am


Did you even READ the previous revision Hiro? It was filled with numerous faults and holes. If you don't like my logic, complain to Kouri, otherwise shut up!

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