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 Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:44 pm
Thunder Foot DarklingGlory Formlessness/Awareness - not revealing what you are about to do, not showing any "tells", and conversely learning to read your opponents signs. The ability to outguess your opponent or not be out guessed is of particular importance in combat, particulary combat which ends quickly, like weapon work Now this I agree with, and believe that it can be applied to all Martial Arts. However, if one was to keep this mindset while practicing such things like formal Martial Arts (i.e. Shorin-Ryu, Aikido, Shaolin Gung Fu, etc.) wouldn't that said person be defying the very thing that defines each Martial Art as such? How do you mean? Are you saying that the mindset you must assume to be practising those arts precludes trying to read your opponent and prevent them reading you?
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:36 pm
DarklingGlory Lunaries I've also heard many people say that joint locks (or at least basic joint locks) are very common across different martial arts. I have not had enough cross training to attest to that. Comments? Very common but not in all. Not in TKD or muay thai (I believe), amongst others. Its not really a principle that can be applied to all things.. imo Balance and leverageBalance - this one is obvious, you aren't going to be able to generate power or evade attacks if you dont keep your self in balance at all times Leverage - from my limited knowledge of grappling, leverage seems to be where its at Spatial awareness and Formlessness/AwarenessSpatial awareness - if you dont know whats going on around you, you wont be able to combat it effectively. Finding the gap in the guard also comes under this catagory I guess Formlessness/Awareness - not revealing what you are about to do, not showing any "tells", and conversely learning to read your opponents signs. The ability to outguess your opponent or not be out guessed is of particular importance in combat, particulary combat which ends quickly, like weapon work Actually the very traditional forms of Muay Thai that had a kneeling fighting stance had grappling aspects.
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:23 am
Saajei DarklingGlory Lunaries I've also heard many people say that joint locks (or at least basic joint locks) are very common across different martial arts. I have not had enough cross training to attest to that. Comments? Very common but not in all. Not in TKD or muay thai (I believe), amongst others. Its not really a principle that can be applied to all things.. imo Balance and leverageBalance - this one is obvious, you aren't going to be able to generate power or evade attacks if you dont keep your self in balance at all times Leverage - from my limited knowledge of grappling, leverage seems to be where its at Spatial awareness and Formlessness/AwarenessSpatial awareness - if you dont know whats going on around you, you wont be able to combat it effectively. Finding the gap in the guard also comes under this catagory I guess Formlessness/Awareness - not revealing what you are about to do, not showing any "tells", and conversely learning to read your opponents signs. The ability to outguess your opponent or not be out guessed is of particular importance in combat, particulary combat which ends quickly, like weapon work Actually the very traditional forms of Muay Thai that had a kneeling fighting stance had grappling aspects. Really? I was basing my assumption on a site of Muay Thai competition rules.. the older forms of Muay Thai had all sorts of things in that are banned in the modern form tho no?
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:40 pm
Yea, like eye gouging and nut kicks.
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:24 pm
Like bare knuckle boxing...like most martial arts, I mean, in the good old days Masters could challenge each other and scrap on the streets...don't see a lot of that these days (though maybe it still goes on.)
As for 'Spatial awareness and Formlessness/Awareness' we do so much of that in Ninjutsu it comes out your ears. A lot of the art is based around that principle, know your surrondings etc
If a guy walks past you on the street, do you watch him carefully or scan him as he walks past (with your eyes, not a scanner).
My father taught me a lot about this, I guess this is why people think MAists are paranoid, when actually they are merely surveying their surroundings.
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:09 pm
Taijutsuguy Like bare knuckle boxing...like most martial arts, I mean, in the good old days Masters could challenge each other and scrap on the streets...don't see a lot of that these days (though maybe it still goes on.) As for 'Spatial awareness and Formlessness/Awareness' we do so much of that in Ninjutsu it comes out your ears. A lot of the art is based around that principle, know your surrondings etc If a guy walks past you on the street, do you watch him carefully or scan him as he walks past (with your eyes, not a scanner). My father taught me a lot about this, I guess this is why people think MAists are paranoid, when actually they are merely surveying their surroundings. Wait, people think we're paranoid? Like... since when did they start doing that? o.o
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:03 am
Must just be me then, but they are out to get me...
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:09 pm
Taijutsuguy Must just be me then, but they are out to get me... Yes we are... twisted
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:38 am
~kicks thread back on topic~
Lowering your centre of gravity
In every art I've studied thus far, bending your legs to lower your centre of gravity thereby creating more stabilty for movement and power has been very important. I guess this could be grouped with the balance and leverage bit
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:17 am
DarklingGlory A short sharp breath out was heavily emphasized in TKD and in my current kungfu class the teacher is always saying to breath from the "dantien" whilst performing techniques Inhabia, what are your thoughts on torso twist to maximise power? In karate? In the system of kungfu you take? Next: Speed versus MassNow to my understanding, from TKD theory and physics. Speed is more important than mass for generating power. Momentum is mass times velocity squared. Its momentum which kills you as safety engineers say, or more accurately impulse (a function of momentum). If mass equals 1 (ignore units), speed equals 1 then momentum equals 1. If you double the mass, then momentum equals 2, i.e. its doubled If you double speed, the momentum is quadrupled, i.e. its quadrupled. If you triple mass, then momentum equals 3, i.e. its tripled If you triple speed, then momentum equals 9, i.e its multiplied by 9... So it becomes apparent from this that a smaller faster person can hit harder than a larger slower person.. thoughts? Are you trying to say Sugar Ray Leonard hits harder than Klitshcko?? Or that Pac-man hits harder than Tyson? Cuz i'm damn sure they have MUCH faster hands.
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:06 am
Mirko_Filipovic Are you trying to say Sugar Ray Leonard hits harder than Klitshcko?? Or that Pac-man hits harder than Tyson? Cuz i'm damn sure they have MUCH faster hands. lol I bet pac-man could wup your a** anyday.. xp I'm not saying that person A can hit harder than person B because they are faster. What I'm saying is if you can learn to hit faster it is more useful than learning to use more of your mass...
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:09 pm
DarklingGlory Mirko_Filipovic Are you trying to say Sugar Ray Leonard hits harder than Klitshcko?? Or that Pac-man hits harder than Tyson? Cuz i'm damn sure they have MUCH faster hands. lol I bet pac-man could wup your a** anyday.. xp I'm not saying that person A can hit harder than person B because they are faster. What I'm saying is if you can learn to hit faster it is more useful than learning to use more of your mass... I know what you mean, but I just hate when people say that. Anyway, another basic principle is lateral movement.
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:46 am
Mirko_Filipovic DarklingGlory Mirko_Filipovic Are you trying to say Sugar Ray Leonard hits harder than Klitshcko?? Or that Pac-man hits harder than Tyson? Cuz i'm damn sure they have MUCH faster hands. lol I bet pac-man could wup your a** anyday.. xp I'm not saying that person A can hit harder than person B because they are faster. What I'm saying is if you can learn to hit faster it is more useful than learning to use more of your mass... I know what you mean, but I just hate when people say that. Anyway, another basic principle is lateral movement. Yes I totally agree with that. I'd have to say one thing I've noticed is that lateral movement is a principle that takes most people a while to pick up. When they start to get more accomplished at sparring it tends to start out very linear, and as they get better it starts to take on a more 3d aspect oh and congrats on your mod status 3nodding
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