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 Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:45 pm
Senator Keeley: Many people think if you stop the doctors you'll stop the abortions.
Albert: Well that's absurd. The doctors are only doing their jobs. If you're going to kill someone kill the mothers. That'll stop them.
Armand: May I see you for a moment dear?
Albert: Oh, I know what you're going to say. If you kill the mother, the fetus dies too. But the fetus is going to be aborted anyway, so why not let it go down with the ship?
--The Birdcage
Armand Goldman/Col(d/e)man (Robin Williams)
Albert (Nathan Lane)
Senator Kevin Keeley (Gene Hackman)
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:28 pm
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:32 am
rockerpixie Ladygaura I'm a little tricky. Personally I'm pro-life. Having been through a stillbirth (I lost my firstborn, who was very much wanted, to unknown causes at 36 weeks) so I could never seek to do that. We've chosen to never have to go there-- there are nice surgical preventitive options. Politically, however, I'm pro-choice. While I could never bear to seek an abortion I could never politically force this choice on another woman. I know there are times when it's the only decent option, and it needs to be rare but preserved. (needless to say I'm a huge believer in responsible family planning, contraception, and ounces of prevention) I agree with everything you stated. People should only use abortion as a last resort, not as a quick-fix. Ok wow this is the 2nd time today ive agreed with you on this i believe that Abortion is fine under Roe v. Wade, for rape and incest victims, for those who believe that they cannot handle the baby or their life is in danger, and the reasoning for that is this. We consider someones life to begin at birth 1. we start counting 2. life is the experience of learning and knowledge, this doesnt happen in the womb.
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:48 pm
It's ridiculous that there actually are people who are like, "oops, I'm pregnant... again," and stroll right into the clinic. Abortion is a serious thing, that shouldn't be taken lightly... but keeping it legal is important.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:14 am
agreed, but still we do have those people and we'll keep it open for them, but it is stupid that people will go "Oh Noes, I'm PG!" then speed to the clinic....for the love of god
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:30 pm
rockerpixie It's ridiculous that there actually are people who are like, "oops, I'm pregnant... again," and stroll right into the clinic. Abortion is a serious thing, that shouldn't be taken lightly... but keeping it legal is important. Abortion isn't too serious it's just sensationalized I think it's the woman's judgement and if she wants to do that, who's to say that's wrong(even though that is a tad on the rediculous side)
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:38 am
I believe in the legalization of murder.
I'm not saying that abortion is murder, but why shouldn't I have the right to end someone else's life? Especially if they crowd me or speak in Ebonics.
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:18 pm
Travis Celendel I believe in the legalization of murder. I'm not saying that abortion is murder, but why shouldn't I have the right to end someone else's life? Especially if they crowd me or speak in Ebonics. And your exactly why a WW3 will happen.....
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:53 pm
Pick_A_Song And your exactly why a WW3 will happen..... Keep personal blows at a minimum, please.
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:59 pm
rockerpixie Pick_A_Song And your exactly why a WW3 will happen..... Keep personal blows at a minimum, please. sorry sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:08 pm
Pick_A_Song rockerpixie Pick_A_Song And your exactly why a WW3 will happen..... Keep personal blows at a minimum, please. sorry sweatdrop Don't sweat it. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:06 pm
Pick_A_Song rockerpixie It's ridiculous that there actually are people who are like, "oops, I'm pregnant... again," and stroll right into the clinic. Abortion is a serious thing, that shouldn't be taken lightly... but keeping it legal is important. Abortion isn't too serious it's just sensationalized I think it's the woman's judgement and if she wants to do that, who's to say that's wrong(even though that is a tad on the rediculous side) Exactly. I don't agree with abortion, but I do agree with the right to choose, so I am pro-choice.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 10:24 pm
Ladygaura For this next comment I am imagining speaking through my first boyfriend, and yes this is part of the reason why he's an ex, although a lot more had to do with a lack of responsibility. He was however very much into Operation Life and marched on Washington for that. "The woman above did not just have a little too much fun. She disobeyed the absolute word of God and is a whore by having sex outside of a sanctified marriage. " Eww glad that part's over. Personally I'm not Christian and don't ascribe to that stuff. (I don't have a problem with whores/ sex workers/ prostitutes/ courtesans either). However a lot of Christians do think that anyone who has sex outside marriage (and in some particularly conservative groups, even kissing or holding hands, any intimate contact whatsoever) is a whore. Nevermind that there is a definite double standard involved that is gender specific and that it's widely violated anyhow... but that is their official thought at least. I personally believe that any one who thinks that all women that get abortions or pregnant outside of a marriage are whores have no respect for any woman at all. What really pisses me off is that whenever a pregnancy or an abortion happens it is always the girls fault. It’s like it’s acceptable for the guy to not be able to keep his d*ck in his pants but the fact that the girl let herself be wooed by him is unspeakable. I’m sorry normally I’m more passive aggressive but this really, really pisses me off
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:36 pm
f_a_i_t_h_l_e_s_s Ladygaura For this next comment I am imagining speaking through my first boyfriend, and yes this is part of the reason why he's an ex, although a lot more had to do with a lack of responsibility. He was however very much into Operation Life and marched on Washington for that. "The woman above did not just have a little too much fun. She disobeyed the absolute word of God and is a whore by having sex outside of a sanctified marriage. " Eww glad that part's over. Personally I'm not Christian and don't ascribe to that stuff. (I don't have a problem with whores/ sex workers/ prostitutes/ courtesans either). However a lot of Christians do think that anyone who has sex outside marriage (and in some particularly conservative groups, even kissing or holding hands, any intimate contact whatsoever) is a whore. Nevermind that there is a definite double standard involved that is gender specific and that it's widely violated anyhow... but that is their official thought at least. I personally believe that any one who thinks that all women that get abortions or pregnant outside of a marriage are whores have no respect for any woman at all. What really pisses me off is that whenever a pregnancy or an abortion happens it is always the girls fault. It’s like it’s acceptable for the guy to not be able to keep his d*ck in his pants but the fact that the girl let herself be wooed by him is unspeakable. I’m sorry normally I’m more passive aggressive but this really, really pisses me off just playing devil's advocate here(and partly because im a guy), but the girl did accept the request to have sex and well keep the guys out of yer pants.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:53 pm
Pick_A_Song f_a_i_t_h_l_e_s_s Ladygaura For this next comment I am imagining speaking through my first boyfriend, and yes this is part of the reason why he's an ex, although a lot more had to do with a lack of responsibility. He was however very much into Operation Life and marched on Washington for that. "The woman above did not just have a little too much fun. She disobeyed the absolute word of God and is a whore by having sex outside of a sanctified marriage. " Eww glad that part's over. Personally I'm not Christian and don't ascribe to that stuff. (I don't have a problem with whores/ sex workers/ prostitutes/ courtesans either). However a lot of Christians do think that anyone who has sex outside marriage (and in some particularly conservative groups, even kissing or holding hands, any intimate contact whatsoever) is a whore. Nevermind that there is a definite double standard involved that is gender specific and that it's widely violated anyhow... but that is their official thought at least. I personally believe that any one who thinks that all women that get abortions or pregnant outside of a marriage are whores have no respect for any woman at all. What really pisses me off is that whenever a pregnancy or an abortion happens it is always the girls fault. It’s like it’s acceptable for the guy to not be able to keep his d*ck in his pants but the fact that the girl let herself be wooed by him is unspeakable. I’m sorry normally I’m more passive aggressive but this really, really pisses me off just playing devil's advocate here(and partly because im a guy), but the girl did accept the request to have sex and well keep the guys out of yer pants. But I believe her point was that the girl is the one who has to deal with most of the consequences. Let's say Amy and Allen like each other a lot. So they have (consented) sex. Now Allen can go brag about it to all of his friends and get high-fives and laughs out of it. Meanwhile, once everyone finds out that Amy had sex with Allen, she's automatically labelled as a slut. No cheers. No high-fives. No laughs. It's one of the many double-standards we've got to work to get rid of as a society. ANYWAY My opinion on this is that a woman shouldn't have an abortion unless she's in a dire situation. Not the "in college with a job lined up" thing that someone mentioned earlier. I mean like, if she has the baby, she has a high chance of dying during birth. Or rape. Rape is... completely not the girl's fault. It's not the baby's fault either, but the mother should be able to decide, because she may not be mentally or emotionally stable enough to deal with the pregnancy. The "in college with a job lined up" situation is one in which a woman would not want to have a child. I understand that. But she could always give the baby up for adoption after it's born. There are infertile couples, gay couples, etc. that will take care of children.
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