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Dr. Valentine Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:28 am
Mirenes that question answers itself its the reason why the 80s was great, its the reason why thrift stores are awesome and why people wear gold 8} and its quite simple really... people love tacky things. well a good majority of them anyways wink Mirenes my opinion (the only one that matters to me) That's your problem right there ma'am. You are in a guild whose purpose is to share opinions about and discuss art, and the only person here who matters to you is you. You and hansma have both expressed this absolutely disgusting attitude; "I don't like how you draw and I don't like what you are saying so I am just going to discard your opinion." You are free to feel that way and I know that you won't care that I say this, but that is an excellent way to become a generally shitty person.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:32 am
uh is this normal guild protocol?
i give my opinion on art and you give me your opinion on me, as a person?
because im pretty sure thats not what i signed up for :/
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:36 am
also dont force feed me my own words
what you consider to be tacky (my art)
and what i consider to be tacky (your art)
are 2 very different things :/
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:41 am
**I step away from the mic to breathe
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Dr. Valentine Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:49 am
Mirenes uh is this normal guild protocol? i give my opinion on art and you give me your opinion on me, as a person? because im pretty sure thats not what i signed up for :/ if you want respect, you gotta hand it out first. You are a troll and I know that you know it. Statements like "there is no way anyone with real eyes or concept of art is voting for Dr.V" go beyond simply expressing an opinion and border on personal attack. The personal opinions I have expressed have to do directly with your potential as an artist. I think your ego and your adversarial attitude prevent you from considering the opinions of others, and that this has a direct impact on the quality of your art and your potential for growth. I can see that you are not interested in what I have to say, and I already regret being a part of such static. In the future please try to turn the trolling down a notch. You can express your honest opinion without being quite so insulting about it.
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:55 am
lmfao im not a troll
but ill agree what i said could have been said better
but whats an art showing without a little controversy?
truth be told both entries were lacking in that department :{
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:48 pm
Mirenes there is some crazy bias going on there is no way anyone with real eyes or concept of art is voting for Dr.V like his entry looks like something i would see in a 4th grade art class the colors are horrible, the message is awkward and like idk it really is just ... symbolism and color and mixed media wins for me here yay hansma, but boo on being late :/ i actually came into this thread thinking i was gonna vote for hansma because usually i dont like dr v's stuff at all but i feel like dr v's fits the subject better
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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:17 pm
just to give justification on why i voted for dr. v excluding all personal bias:   the basic "propaganda poster" and i like how dr. v executed the classical way of spreading blatant propaganda through art granted his is a much simplified version, i still think he accomplished the challenge more so then hansma which is what you should be voting on right? and plus, i find her piece to be underdeveloped. i think she should have simplified it almost to abstraction or put lifestyle detail into it to make a piece that really causes that emotion of digust for the white. the piece calls up no emotion while dr.v's is bold and at least makes me wonder
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:22 am
anti-art propoganda was the subject with no clarification, so its understandable that it could be interpreted different ways. that said, i dont think hansmas really deviates from the subject at all
its a tough choice. dr v's entry is considerably more interesting and developed than his regular vectors so thats definitely an A+ for effort. this is basically what i said would happen, that it'd be so hard to choose between them because essentially, i dont really think one is BETTER than another, they're just DIFFERENT
i dunno, i like dr v's because it IS more like an old-style propaganda poster and thats kinda nifty... but hansma's entry is the one that, looking at it, really made me feel SAD. so she gets my vote
not that itll matter much anyways because noones voting for hansma just because they dont like her, but still
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:15 am
Dr. V's could represent the concept clearer, but Hansma's kinda looks unfinished and I definitely do not get it at all.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:12 am
Personally, going by the topic and what my illustration teacher and all my art teachers throughout college and highschool, I have a different view on how the subject where to be executed. I voted for Hansma because it was closest to how I would execute the project considering the subject. However, I don't like either piece when relating to the subject that was given. They don't seem to have a strong enough grip on me when it comes to anti-propaganda. I'll have to go through some of the books my teacher has and get some of the examples on how I would have done it differently. But it's all a matter of opinion really.
I like how Dr. V went the rout of old fashioned movie poster-esk. However, I don't like, or really, don't get the full on feeling of old movie poster-esk seeing as how it was done digitally which all propaganda is done now adays.
I would have done something more pop-art style for this subject. That's my opinion anyway. Seeing as how pop-art was the propaganda thing of it's day. Andy Warhol, Roy Lichtenstein, Richard Hamilton, Jasper Johns, David Hockney, R.B. Kitaj. Very famous pop artists that I would have used as reference for this subject and the media involved.








I would even go so far as a caricature of a popular idol of some sort, whether it be from the news, politics, or something else. I'm sure you all get what I mean by this.

Anyways, I'm done ranting. I've just had all this wide range of art instilled in my brain from it being ingrained into it for over 8 years of art school.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:43 pm
I read that post over and over and I just don't know what to make of it. Are you saying that hansma wins basically because hers wasn't digital?
That's cool if that is what you are getting at, I am just a bit confused because that is the only consistency I see in the examples you provided.
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Dr. Valentine Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:12 pm
i think she was just posting examples to post examples
and im glad for them i understand more about this propaganda thing than i did before
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:44 pm
 I just want to mention this is possibly the coolest thing I have seen in a long time.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:44 pm
Well I guess you could say I didn't really like it because it looks so digital when it looks like it would have looked better if traditional, kinda like the pop art I posted as examples?
And yes, I was posting examples to post examples of propaganda pop art in the 20th century. And I do apologize if I had confused you, I have a hard time explaining things clearly so that it not only makes sense to me but to whoever I'm trying to convey my message too. gonk Otherwise, besides the main theme of the contest thingy, I like your piece compared to most of your stuff. It's crisp and has a illustrator feel to it. Graphic design is your thing man. It would have gotten an 'A' in my Typography class. For this subject, I was turned off by the words. They were too blunt, too self explanatory.
Usually I like blunt in a person, but in art I like to have to think hard and wonder what it's trying to convey. I think if the medium was narrowed down more it would have gotten it. Though as it stands, Hansma currently has that appeal to hers. It has too much negative space though, the white is too distracting to me. Which is why I don't really like hers either, seems a bit too empty.
So yeah, pop art. surprised
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