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darkphoenix1247
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:15 pm


Dis Domnu
Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever
shtolts tiger
NanaoThrowsPetals
Dis Domnu is right. The 'day' is probably not literally a 'day,' but a figurative use of the word. And just because the Torah doesn't talk about dinosaurs doesn't mean they didn't exist. Heck, Nanao bets Adam and Eve had a rollicking good time with those dinos!


Hashem told us to keep the 7th day holy as the shabbat.
if it was not 24 hour days, then whats the point in keeping shabbat as a 24 hour day? And if shabbat was 24 hours, then all the rest had to be also.


So true. I also try to read the bible as literally as possible. If it mentioned just about every animal G-d created then why would it not mention dinosaurs?


It mentions the thousands of species of animals that exist in the current world? I'm sorry, but I don't see that being true. Then again, I'm not through Genesis yet, so it's possible that I just missed it.

As to the sabbath, I'm going to have to ask a question based on my lack of information. How many things do we (Jews) do that are symbolic of something else? The one I know of is Chanukah candles. We light candles each night, or oil lights, but G-d does not keep them burning constantly, as He did during Chanukah. Is it so hard to believe that the sabbath is also symbolic (which we already know it is, symbolic of G-d's day of rest) in terms of time?

I agree, and I think the concept of a "day" could have been different back then as well. How can we possibly know what constituted day and night if there was no light or darkness?

Mind you, it all depends on your interpretation, so I don't think we can debate "right" or "wrong." I do like hearing opinions, though,
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:19 pm


Oh, I don't intend to tell anyone they're wrong. I'm making my own opinion known, and I apologize if I come off as debating anyone. I'm a debate-whore, so I tend to do it without thinking. I respect everyone's right to their own interpretation, and that means I have my right to mine as well. It is interesting to note differences, yes.

Dis Domnu


darkphoenix1247
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:59 pm


Nope; you're perfectly fine and didn't come across that way at all- nobody did, in fact. I just find random notes help before things get too heated, or people pm complaints to me. blaugh
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:18 pm


Dis Domnu
Oh, I don't intend to tell anyone they're wrong. I'm making my own opinion known, and I apologize if I come off as debating anyone. I'm a debate-whore, so I tend to do it without thinking. I respect everyone's right to their own interpretation, and that means I have my right to mine as well. It is interesting to note differences, yes.
I understood, and I, as well, love debating. I go to a class on Sundays where basically all we do is debate about Jewish matters. Now about what else we do that are symbolic of something else well:
1. Males are circumcised as a symbol of the covenant G-d made with Abraham
2. (I don't know if this counts but) Israel is like the mother to the Jewish people because it is the land of our forefathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob
3. Bar and Bat mitzvahs are a symbol of adulthood (I think)
4. We rest on Shabbat as a symbol of G-d's day of rest (wops, that was what you were asking about xD)
5. most of the Jewish holidays are a symbol of something that happened in the past
Here are a few examples that I can currently think of xD

Shalom_Zeev


NanaoThrowsPetals

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:20 pm


Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever
shtolts tiger
NanaoThrowsPetals
Dis Domnu is right. The 'day' is probably not literally a 'day,' but a figurative use of the word. And just because the Torah doesn't talk about dinosaurs doesn't mean they didn't exist. Heck, Nanao bets Adam and Eve had a rollicking good time with those dinos!


Hashem told us to keep the 7th day holy as the shabbat.
if it was not 24 hour days, then whats the point in keeping shabbat as a 24 hour day? And if shabbat was 24 hours, then all the rest had to be also.


So true. I also try to read the bible as literally as possible. If it mentioned just about every animal G-d created then why would it not mention dinosaurs?


Well, no, the Torah does not mention every animal. In fact, it doesn't mention many at all. So not mentioning disosaurs is completely plausible.

And about the 7th day, that's symbolic. After creating the world, God rested, so we use every 7th day to symbolize this. The number 7 has a lot of religious connotations, so it makes sense. Try not to read TOO literally.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:36 am


I don't really believe in dinosaurs because like it has been mentioned before, G-d created the earth, the animals and then the people. It never mentions dinosaurs, and besides, how could Adam and Eve live with the carnivores?

Broken Angel Child


Dis Domnu

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:46 am


Death_Angel_713
I don't really believe in dinosaurs because like it has been mentioned before, G-d created the earth, the animals and then the people. It never mentions dinosaurs, and besides, how could Adam and Eve live with the carnivores?


I hope you know, dinosaurs are animals...

Also, Adam and Eve, as well as us modern humans, all live with carnivores. Wolves, dogs, cats, bears, large fish, birds of prey, etc. Even if humans somehow managed to live with dinosaurs, it's unlikely that we'd be a primary food source, seeing as how the top predators were too big for a human to be sufficient food for.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:05 pm


Dis Domnu
Death_Angel_713
I don't really believe in dinosaurs because like it has been mentioned before, G-d created the earth, the animals and then the people. It never mentions dinosaurs, and besides, how could Adam and Eve live with the carnivores?


I hope you know, dinosaurs are animals...

Also, Adam and Eve, as well as us modern humans, all live with carnivores. Wolves, dogs, cats, bears, large fish, birds of prey, etc. Even if humans somehow managed to live with dinosaurs, it's unlikely that we'd be a primary food source, seeing as how the top predators were too big for a human to be sufficient food for.


If dinosaurs did live with people then how come there is NOTHING written down about them except what scientists are currently finding out. Even if they only lived in the very beginning, some information would still have been passed down by word of mouth, and besides it does not make sense that, if they were living while other animals were around, they would randomly go extinct, and they could not have gon extinct when the flood occurred because Noah took two of EVERY animal on the ship with him

(sorry a bunch of ideas randomly popped into my head at once; I have never believed in dinosaurs, but I have never exactly had to explain why and I did not realize it could be this complicated rofl )

Shalom_Zeev


Shalom_Zeev

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:13 pm


NanaoThrowsPetals
Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever
shtolts tiger
NanaoThrowsPetals
Dis Domnu is right. The 'day' is probably not literally a 'day,' but a figurative use of the word. And just because the Torah doesn't talk about dinosaurs doesn't mean they didn't exist. Heck, Nanao bets Adam and Eve had a rollicking good time with those dinos!


Hashem told us to keep the 7th day holy as the shabbat.
if it was not 24 hour days, then whats the point in keeping shabbat as a 24 hour day? And if shabbat was 24 hours, then all the rest had to be also.


So true. I also try to read the bible as literally as possible. If it mentioned just about every animal G-d created then why would it not mention dinosaurs?


but it did mention that every animal went on the ship with Noah. And even if they were no longer alive when people came around; how do scientists know for a fact that the fossils are not just something else that changed its structure over time, after all under many circumstances different atoms change into other atoms for various reasons

Well, no, the Torah does not mention every animal. In fact, it doesn't mention many at all. So not mentioning disosaurs is completely plausible.

And about the 7th day, that's symbolic. After creating the world, God rested, so we use every 7th day to symbolize this. The number 7 has a lot of religious connotations, so it makes sense. Try not to read TOO literally.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:30 pm


Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever
Dis Domnu
Death_Angel_713
I don't really believe in dinosaurs because like it has been mentioned before, G-d created the earth, the animals and then the people. It never mentions dinosaurs, and besides, how could Adam and Eve live with the carnivores?


I hope you know, dinosaurs are animals...

Also, Adam and Eve, as well as us modern humans, all live with carnivores. Wolves, dogs, cats, bears, large fish, birds of prey, etc. Even if humans somehow managed to live with dinosaurs, it's unlikely that we'd be a primary food source, seeing as how the top predators were too big for a human to be sufficient food for.


If dinosaurs did live with people then how come there is NOTHING written down about them except what scientists are currently finding out. Even if they only lived in the very beginning, some information would still have been passed down by word of mouth, and besides it does not make sense that, if they were living while other animals were around, they would randomly go extinct, and they could not have gon extinct when the flood occurred because Noah took two of EVERY animal on the ship with him

(sorry a bunch of ideas randomly popped into my head at once; I have never believed in dinosaurs, but I have never exactly had to explain why and I did not realize it could be this complicated rofl )


I'm well aware that dinosaurs did not live at the same time as humans. My point was that "even if" they did, we would not have been a major food source.

Dinosaurs went extinct before man existed as a species. There's absolutely no doubt about that. That places dinos between the creation of man (or leaving the garden) and the creation of earthly animals. The bible makes no mention of all animals surviving, or of all animals going extinct, and so arguing that point would be quite silly.

Dis Domnu


Dis Domnu

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:32 pm


Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever
NanaoThrowsPetals
Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever
shtolts tiger
NanaoThrowsPetals
Dis Domnu is right. The 'day' is probably not literally a 'day,' but a figurative use of the word. And just because the Torah doesn't talk about dinosaurs doesn't mean they didn't exist. Heck, Nanao bets Adam and Eve had a rollicking good time with those dinos!


Hashem told us to keep the 7th day holy as the shabbat.
if it was not 24 hour days, then whats the point in keeping shabbat as a 24 hour day? And if shabbat was 24 hours, then all the rest had to be also.


So true. I also try to read the bible as literally as possible. If it mentioned just about every animal G-d created then why would it not mention dinosaurs?


Well, no, the Torah does not mention every animal. In fact, it doesn't mention many at all. So not mentioning disosaurs is completely plausible.

And about the 7th day, that's symbolic. After creating the world, God rested, so we use every 7th day to symbolize this. The number 7 has a lot of religious connotations, so it makes sense. Try not to read TOO literally.

but it did mention that every animal went on the ship with Noah. And even if they were no longer alive when people came around; how do scientists know for a fact that the fossils are not just something else that changed its structure over time, after all under many circumstances different atoms change into other atoms for various reasons


I fixed your quote tree for you.

Do you understand just how many species live on the Earth? There are thousands, tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, that we know about--with more being discovered every day. Very simply, the story of Noah does not include a comprehensive and complete list of all animals. No where in the Bible is there a list of species, or even of people, inhabiting the world.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:50 pm


Dis Domnu
Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever
Dis Domnu
Death_Angel_713
I don't really believe in dinosaurs because like it has been mentioned before, G-d created the earth, the animals and then the people. It never mentions dinosaurs, and besides, how could Adam and Eve live with the carnivores?


I hope you know, dinosaurs are animals...

Also, Adam and Eve, as well as us modern humans, all live with carnivores. Wolves, dogs, cats, bears, large fish, birds of prey, etc. Even if humans somehow managed to live with dinosaurs, it's unlikely that we'd be a primary food source, seeing as how the top predators were too big for a human to be sufficient food for.


If dinosaurs did live with people then how come there is NOTHING written down about them except what scientists are currently finding out. Even if they only lived in the very beginning, some information would still have been passed down by word of mouth, and besides it does not make sense that, if they were living while other animals were around, they would randomly go extinct, and they could not have gon extinct when the flood occurred because Noah took two of EVERY animal on the ship with him

(sorry a bunch of ideas randomly popped into my head at once; I have never believed in dinosaurs, but I have never exactly had to explain why and I did not realize it could be this complicated rofl )


I'm well aware that dinosaurs did not live at the same time as humans. My point was that "even if" they did, we would not have been a major food source.

Dinosaurs went extinct before man existed as a species. There's absolutely no doubt about that. That places dinos between the creation of man (or leaving the garden) and the creation of earthly animals. The bible makes no mention of all animals surviving, or of all animals going extinct, and so arguing that point would be quite silly.


I guess this just depends if you take the time of Hashem creating the world as 7 days or as longer... there is no way to prove anything. Since I believe that it was actually 7 days then I believe that there were never dinosaurs

Shalom_Zeev


Shalom_Zeev

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:54 pm


Dis Domnu
Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever
NanaoThrowsPetals
Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever
shtolts tiger
NanaoThrowsPetals
Dis Domnu is right. The 'day' is probably not literally a 'day,' but a figurative use of the word. And just because the Torah doesn't talk about dinosaurs doesn't mean they didn't exist. Heck, Nanao bets Adam and Eve had a rollicking good time with those dinos!


Hashem told us to keep the 7th day holy as the shabbat.
if it was not 24 hour days, then whats the point in keeping shabbat as a 24 hour day? And if shabbat was 24 hours, then all the rest had to be also.


So true. I also try to read the bible as literally as possible. If it mentioned just about every animal G-d created then why would it not mention dinosaurs?


Well, no, the Torah does not mention every animal. In fact, it doesn't mention many at all. So not mentioning disosaurs is completely plausible.

And about the 7th day, that's symbolic. After creating the world, God rested, so we use every 7th day to symbolize this. The number 7 has a lot of religious connotations, so it makes sense. Try not to read TOO literally.

but it did mention that every animal went on the ship with Noah. And even if they were no longer alive when people came around; how do scientists know for a fact that the fossils are not just something else that changed its structure over time, after all under many circumstances different atoms change into other atoms for various reasons


I fixed your quote tree for you.

Do you understand just how many species live on the Earth? There are thousands, tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, that we know about--with more being discovered every day. Very simply, the story of Noah does not include a comprehensive and complete list of all animals. No where in the Bible is there a list of species, or even of people, inhabiting the world.


I was not saying that it listed every animal that exists, I was simply stating that every animal that exists went on the boat with Noah. I guess this does not matter anyway if you believe they were already dead by the time that occurred. But could you explain this to me: just by the bones how do scientists know which ones flied, what each one ate, how many different types there were, how they walked, and everything else there is to know about them, and on top of that, how could they know all that with out even knowing how they died?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:05 pm


Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever
Dis Domnu
Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever
NanaoThrowsPetals
Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever


So true. I also try to read the bible as literally as possible. If it mentioned just about every animal G-d created then why would it not mention dinosaurs?


Well, no, the Torah does not mention every animal. In fact, it doesn't mention many at all. So not mentioning disosaurs is completely plausible.

And about the 7th day, that's symbolic. After creating the world, God rested, so we use every 7th day to symbolize this. The number 7 has a lot of religious connotations, so it makes sense. Try not to read TOO literally.

but it did mention that every animal went on the ship with Noah. And even if they were no longer alive when people came around; how do scientists know for a fact that the fossils are not just something else that changed its structure over time, after all under many circumstances different atoms change into other atoms for various reasons


I fixed your quote tree for you.

Do you understand just how many species live on the Earth? There are thousands, tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, that we know about--with more being discovered every day. Very simply, the story of Noah does not include a comprehensive and complete list of all animals. No where in the Bible is there a list of species, or even of people, inhabiting the world.


I was not saying that it listed every animal that exists, I was simply stating that every animal that exists went on the boat with Noah. I guess this does not matter anyway if you believe they were already dead by the time that occurred. But could you explain this to me: just by the bones how do scientists know which ones flied, what each one ate, how many different types there were, how they walked, and everything else there is to know about them, and on top of that, how could they know all that with out even knowing how they died?


Sorry, I misread what you had typed. Thought you were saying it listed.

Anyway, we know which ones were fliers because of bone structure. We know what requirements are needed for an animal to fly (hollow bones, wings instead of arms, etc), and more appropriately they glide. We know what they ate because we have their teeth. We know which types of teeth are used for eating which types of food, and how fast they grind down if they're purely herbivores as compared to omnivores and carnivores. Beyond this, we can tell what bones belong to what species in a similar fashion to the methods used now to determine which bones belong to which ethnicity of humans (believe it or not, mongoloid, negroid, and caucasoid skeletons have some easily identified differences), or even if a bone belongs to an ape or a human.

We also know how they died. They found the big crater from the chunk of rock that came whizzing in from space. Rock hits Earth, rock goes boom, ash covers world, world gets cold, plants die, herbivores die, carnivores die, dinosaurs all gone.

Dis Domnu


Broken Angel Child

PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:29 am


Dis Domnu
Uzumaki_Naruto_fan4ever
Dis Domnu
Death_Angel_713
I don't really believe in dinosaurs because like it has been mentioned before, G-d created the earth, the animals and then the people. It never mentions dinosaurs, and besides, how could Adam and Eve live with the carnivores?


I hope you know, dinosaurs are animals...

Also, Adam and Eve, as well as us modern humans, all live with carnivores. Wolves, dogs, cats, bears, large fish, birds of prey, etc. Even if humans somehow managed to live with dinosaurs, it's unlikely that we'd be a primary food source, seeing as how the top predators were too big for a human to be sufficient food for.


If dinosaurs did live with people then how come there is NOTHING written down about them except what scientists are currently finding out. Even if they only lived in the very beginning, some information would still have been passed down by word of mouth, and besides it does not make sense that, if they were living while other animals were around, they would randomly go extinct, and they could not have gon extinct when the flood occurred because Noah took two of EVERY animal on the ship with him

(sorry a bunch of ideas randomly popped into my head at once; I have never believed in dinosaurs, but I have never exactly had to explain why and I did not realize it could be this complicated rofl )


I'm well aware that dinosaurs did not live at the same time as humans. My point was that "even if" they did, we would not have been a major food source.

Dinosaurs went extinct before man existed as a species. There's absolutely no doubt about that. That places dinos between the creation of man (or leaving the garden) and the creation of earthly animals. The bible makes no mention of all animals surviving, or of all animals going extinct, and so arguing that point would be quite silly.

Dinosaurs couldn't be extinct before the race of man because it says that G-d created the animals and then he created humans the next day. Dinosaurs are considered animals, so there is no possible way that the dinosaurs went extinct before the race of man was created.
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