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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:05 am


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I don't believe in the political process. I believe people are far too distanced from the way their country is run for them to ever really decide anything.

Which is sad, really. Government is supposed to work for us, and all people care about today is their big sunglasses, and their starbucks. It kinda gives the gov. a little room to do whatever the hell they want.


Government stopped working for us the day we let someone else make decisions on our behalf. But let's face it. There's too many people these days to bring back direct democracy.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:09 am


Blind Guardian the 2nd
a**l Jesus
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I don't believe in the political process. I believe people are far too distanced from the way their country is run for them to ever really decide anything.

Which is sad, really. Government is supposed to work for us, and all people care about today is their big sunglasses, and their starbucks. It kinda gives the gov. a little room to do whatever the hell they want.


Government stopped working for us the day we let someone else make decisions on our behalf. But let's face it. There's too many people these days to bring back direct democracy.

Yeah I was thinking about that too. Guess my only choice is to GTFO the cuntry. No that was not a spelling error. :B


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:32 am


a**l Jesus
Yeah, that's basically what I was trying to say, you just said it like 800 times better xD

It seems like all those other candidates are acting and their somehow leading in the race. Whilst all the seemingly real candidates fall behind or drop out. I don't get it myself. How can the people not see right through all that acting? I mean almost every question they get, they will not answer. Seriously, watch the next debate and see that they'll 'put it into context' or just answer with 'a more important question'. If you ask for a simple no, they give you the goddamn gettysburg address.


It's like Hitler. People in Germany loved Hitler. Well, the people he wasn't trying to eradicate, that is. You don't hear about it today because, you know, he slaughtered thousands of people. No one wants to be associated with Hitler, but they loved him then. Some people think the Nazis were brainwashed into following him, but for the most part, it was on their own free will. Same with the people.

People look at the society of Orwell's 1984 and think, "Nah, that can't happen. No one would follow such an oppressive power that blindly and with that much love." But it has happened. It is happening now, even though we're not aware of it. And it will happen in the future. It's not Stockholm Syndrome. It's human nature.

Stanford Prison Experiment. When people are confronted with extreme circumstances, anything can happen.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:40 am


DrasBrisingr
a**l Jesus
Yeah, that's basically what I was trying to say, you just said it like 800 times better xD

It seems like all those other candidates are acting and their somehow leading in the race. Whilst all the seemingly real candidates fall behind or drop out. I don't get it myself. How can the people not see right through all that acting? I mean almost every question they get, they will not answer. Seriously, watch the next debate and see that they'll 'put it into context' or just answer with 'a more important question'. If you ask for a simple no, they give you the goddamn gettysburg address.


It's like Hitler. People in Germany loved Hitler. Well, the people he wasn't trying to eradicate, that is. You don't hear about it today because, you know, he slaughtered thousands of people. No one wants to be associated with Hitler, but they loved him then. Some people think the Nazis were brainwashed into following him, but for the most part, it was on their own free will. Same with the people.

People look at the society of Orwell's 1984 and think, "Nah, that can't happen. No one would follow such an oppressive power that blindly and with that much love." But it has happened. It is happening now, even though we're not aware of it. And it will happen in the future. It's not Stockholm Syndrome. It's human nature.

Stanford Prison Experiment. When people are confronted with extreme circumstances, anything can happen.


I wouldn't say it's human nature, but there's certainly a kind of condition which breeds love for bad people.

Anyway, if you want an in depth look at the Stanford Prison Experiment and circumstances that turn usually good people "evil", then read "The Lucifer Effect" by Dr. Phillip Zimbardo.

Blind Guardian the 2nd



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:43 am


DrasBrisingr
a**l Jesus
Yeah, that's basically what I was trying to say, you just said it like 800 times better xD

It seems like all those other candidates are acting and their somehow leading in the race. Whilst all the seemingly real candidates fall behind or drop out. I don't get it myself. How can the people not see right through all that acting? I mean almost every question they get, they will not answer. Seriously, watch the next debate and see that they'll 'put it into context' or just answer with 'a more important question'. If you ask for a simple no, they give you the goddamn gettysburg address.


It's like Hitler. People in Germany loved Hitler. Well, the people he wasn't trying to eradicate, that is. You don't hear about it today because, you know, he slaughtered thousands of people. No one wants to be associated with Hitler, but they loved him then. Some people think the Nazis were brainwashed into following him, but for the most part, it was on their own free will. Same with the people.

People look at the society of Orwell's 1984 and think, "Nah, that can't happen. No one would follow such an oppressive power that blindly and with that much love." But it has happened. It is happening now, even though we're not aware of it. And it will happen in the future. It's not Stockholm Syndrome. It's human nature.

Stanford Prison Experiment. When people are confronted with extreme circumstances, anything can happen.

I saw clips of that video on Nat Geo, or History Channel the other day. I found it all to be surprising. Even the most humble of people, faced with power just ******** rot into evilness. Oh asteroid, you're so long overdue.

Have you ever noticed how some people, when they try to claim the government is just a little corrupt, they're bashed into nothingness? Called imbiciles, and idiots. Was the country not founded on weeding out all this corruption? To question your authority? You do it today, and you get tazed bro.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:53 am


Blind Guardian the 2nd

I wouldn't say it's human nature, but there's certainly a kind of condition which breeds love for bad people.

Anyway, if you want an in depth look at the Stanford Prison Experiment and circumstances that turn usually good people "evil", then read "The Lucifer Effect" by Dr. Phillip Zimbardo.


Ah, Zimbardo. My high school psych teacher had this joke all through the semester that Zimbardo was the devil. We had to watch various educational videos by him, and he does have that Hollywood "I'm the devil in disguise" look about him. I found it more amusing than anything else, especially when he popped up unexpectedly on one of the videos, resulting in people nearly jumping out of their seat and screaming. Anyone outside would have thought we were watching a horror flick. XD


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DrasBrisingr

PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:18 am


Azana Brown
Blind Guardian the 2nd

I wouldn't say it's human nature, but there's certainly a kind of condition which breeds love for bad people.

Anyway, if you want an in depth look at the Stanford Prison Experiment and circumstances that turn usually good people "evil", then read "The Lucifer Effect" by Dr. Phillip Zimbardo.


Ah, Zimbardo. My high school psych teacher had this joke all through the semester that Zimbardo was the devil. We had to watch various educational videos by him, and he does have that Hollywood "I'm the devil in disguise" look about him. I found it more amusing than anything else, especially when he popped up unexpectedly on one of the videos, resulting in people nearly jumping out of their seat and screaming. Anyone outside would have thought we were watching a horror flick. XD
It was the Bobo doll experiment that got my lecture hall watching the screen in horror. You know, especially when the kid picked up the hammer, squatted over the doll, and continued to beat the hell out of it.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:13 pm


Given any sort of past references. Saw something posted about Hitler and the like. He was a fanatical leader and knew how to motivate. He fought most of his personal wars with words. The pen is mightier then the sword. Just take a look at the number of revolutions, revolts, and protests in the history of the world. Both the entire aspect of 'good' and 'evil' will use what's in their power to gain what they need to win.

That goes without saying, it's the same with politicians. It doesn't matter which they are, they all lie, all strive for money to fund their campaign. And the population has become jaded unto the fact that they let themselves seek out the popular vote and let their decisions be grounded on the hot air they've spewed forth like a dragon on its hoard. A persons true test is how they act in situations. How they compose themselves in action, not just telling people what they want to hear.

Now, this is strictly my opinion on some of the candidates and it will affect how I vote.

Hillary Clinton - Personally, as a gamer, this woman sickens me. She's tried to ban them, blaming so many problems on them that is so ******** ridiculous, she should be in a straight jacket. People like to blame video games for world problems. But what about TV? It's just as violent and interactive. besides, I don't think there's too many people in places like Somalia and other poor foreign nations who are playing games and going out to shoot people. it's just their military coups. Find something else to blame.

And on top of that, I question her strength for office. I'm sure many of you have seen the emotional breakdown she had. I don't buy it. Tears in office positions are way too common, and if she has a fit over something simple now, what will happen if the s**t hits the fan?

Rudy Guiliani - I probably spelled that wrong, ******** it. Names don't matter. I admit that right now, my vote is all for him. He has shown a tremendous amount of integrity and took no time in hesitating during the crisis that had the nation terrified of flying, leaving the house, buying bacon bits, anything. I had mentioned that actions speak louder then words, even though words are bloody well strong on their own. I admire his actions on 9/11. He didn't idle along side, he stepped into the thick of it and acted accordingly. Granted, many lives were lost that day, but you never hear of the lives saved or those who survived thanks to the actions he, the police, firefighters, coast guard, anyone in it took that entire month. To me, he's proven leadership and qualities that are rare in people these days.

I like a number of the candidates in truth. My father is for McCain because as a former POW, he knows the hardships the man has faced. granted, that may not mean that he's qualified for the job, but it shows sort of how you have to relate to the voters, to tell them what they want to hear. All politicians are that. Bags of hot air and s**t, lying to get what they can out of people.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:49 pm


As I mentioned earlier, our "democracy" is a farce, because no matter how the popular vote goes, it still all comes down to the electoral college.

And I don't think any of the candidates know wtf they're talking about. We might as well just say that all the GOP candidates are child molesting homosexuals in disguise, trying to push their religious agenda on us and that the "Democratic" candidates are just a bunch of whiner babies using things like their gender and race to try to get into office.

It's complete madness (Madness?! THIS IS SPARTA!!! There, I did it for you).

I also think that there shouldn't be a choice on the voting machines to punch a straight ticket. Make the people ******** think about who they want to run their country. Goddamn, the reason the government walks all over us is because everyone's too busy looking for the next dollar or ******** long as the country is divided by party lines, we won't really be a union because no one can agree on what needs to be ******** politicians. REVOLUTION IN THIS b***h
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:02 am


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As I mentioned earlier, our "democracy" is a farce, because no matter how the popular vote goes, it still all comes down to the electoral college.

And I don't think any of the candidates know wtf they're talking about. We might as well just say that all the GOP candidates are child molesting homosexuals in disguise, trying to push their religious agenda on us and that the "Democratic" candidates are just a bunch of whiner babies using things like their gender and race to try to get into office.

It's complete madness (Madness?! THIS IS SPARTA!!! There, I did it for you).

I also think that there shouldn't be a choice on the voting machines to punch a straight ticket. Make the people ******** think about who they want to run their country. Goddamn, the reason the government walks all over us is because everyone's too busy looking for the next dollar or ******** long as the country is divided by party lines, we won't really be a union because no one can agree on what needs to be ******** politicians. REVOLUTION IN THIS b***h


I think you will find that the reason people don't get a choice in government anymore is because they have faith in politics itself. A faith in any political ideology requires subscription to rules that limit you from finding a common ground with others, and all politics involves public rituals designed to ensnare minds, "members" of subcultures to make others feel like a part of something important, and even Presidents themselves only exist not because a President is a good idea (that much power in the hands of one person? Yeah right) but because people find it easier to relate to individuals than they do to parties. I mean, in any country, people mostly identify with the party they are voting for because of the person running for office.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:16 pm


Blind Guardian the 2nd
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As I mentioned earlier, our "democracy" is a farce, because no matter how the popular vote goes, it still all comes down to the electoral college.

And I don't think any of the candidates know wtf they're talking about. We might as well just say that all the GOP candidates are child molesting homosexuals in disguise, trying to push their religious agenda on us and that the "Democratic" candidates are just a bunch of whiner babies using things like their gender and race to try to get into office.

It's complete madness (Madness?! THIS IS SPARTA!!! There, I did it for you).

I also think that there shouldn't be a choice on the voting machines to punch a straight ticket. Make the people ******** think about who they want to run their country. Goddamn, the reason the government walks all over us is because everyone's too busy looking for the next dollar or ******** long as the country is divided by party lines, we won't really be a union because no one can agree on what needs to be ******** politicians. REVOLUTION IN THIS b***h


I think you will find that the reason people don't get a choice in government anymore is because they have faith in politics itself. A faith in any political ideology requires subscription to rules that limit you from finding a common ground with others, and all politics involves public rituals designed to ensnare minds, "members" of subcultures to make others feel like a part of something important, and even Presidents themselves only exist not because a President is a good idea (that much power in the hands of one person? Yeah right) but because people find it easier to relate to individuals than they do to parties. I mean, in any country, people mostly identify with the party they are voting for because of the person running for office.


Good points.

I only hope that Dennis Kucinich can save us from the return of our reptilian alien overlords; he seems more capable of the task than the other candidates. xd
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:11 pm


If I chould vote, Obama whouldn't get mine (Not because he's black people, I'm NOT racist scream ) because I heard he was trying to bring religion to school. I mean, you can't have every single religion to school, I mean, take me for instance. Yeah, proud hard-core Wiccan. I beleive in magic(k) and everything, I do it, and everything, but then their gonna somewhere along the way, not going to include Wiccans (Or atleast I HIGHLY doubt it.) and that'll lead me to complaining. And then somewhere along the way, their probably going to some sort of a religion that hates magic(k) people and burns 'em (like the Puritans back in the olden days (God dangit, poor werewolves. If you don't understand this, here; Way back in the 1700s (I think the 1700s), Puritans in England burned people alive and starved them and crap because they beleive they where werewolves)) And then i'd be screwed, we'll launch nukes at people and eventually George Bush'll be murdered, Hitler will rise from the dead as a zombie, and there'll be war. << And then zombies'll take over with Hitler leading them and Elvis. << He'll be an angel sent from heaven that starts everything over. sweatdrop sweatdrop sweatdrop

Okay, that whole paragraph was a peice of crap for my amusement xDD Ignore it. >W<
Anywho, Obama doesn't get my votes 'cause the religions thing because, they'll probably leave awhole bunch'a religions out, like the Wiccan religion, and that'll make me mad, and then i'll be forced to sit in an even more boring as heck school all day, and half of that day i'll have to learn about Christianity and a crapload of religions I don't want to learn. God.
{{And, for the LAST time, I am not racist.}} ><

Heck, any candidate that promises to get animals off the endangered list, promise not to shoot bombs at anybody, is anti-war, and everything else I like whould get my vote, but then again that won't happen. I beleive this was a waste of writing. << xDD

Edit; The "I don't want to learn about. God."... No pun was intended with the "God" and Christianity. <<

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:38 pm


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If I chould vote, Obama whouldn't get mine (Not because he's black people, I'm NOT racist scream ) because I heard he was trying to bring religion to school. I mean, you can't have every single religion to school, I mean, take me for instance. Yeah, proud hard-core Wiccan. I beleive in magic(k) and everything, I do it, and everything, but then their gonna somewhere along the way, not going to include Wiccans (Or atleast I HIGHLY doubt it.) and that'll lead me to complaining. And then somewhere along the way, their probably going to some sort of a religion that hates magic(k) people and burns 'em (like the Puritans back in the olden days (God dangit, poor werewolves. If you don't understand this, here; Way back in the 1700s (I think the 1700s), Puritans in England burned people alive and starved them and crap because they beleive they where werewolves)) And then i'd be screwed, we'll launch nukes at people and eventually George Bush'll be murdered, Hitler will rise from the dead as a zombie, and there'll be war. << And then zombies'll take over with Hitler leading them and Elvis. << He'll be an angel sent from heaven that starts everything over. sweatdrop sweatdrop sweatdrop

Okay, that whole paragraph was a peice of crap for my amusement xDD Ignore it. >W<
Anywho, Obama doesn't get my votes 'cause the religions thing because, they'll probably leave awhole bunch'a religions out, like the Wiccan religion, and that'll make me mad, and then i'll be forced to sit in an even more boring as heck school all day, and half of that day i'll have to learn about Christianity and a crapload of religions I don't want to learn. God.
{{And, for the LAST time, I am not racist.}} ><

Heck, any candidate that promises to get animals off the endangered list, promise not to shoot bombs at anybody, is anti-war, and everything else I like whould get my vote, but then again that won't happen. I beleive this was a waste of writing. << xDD

Edit; The "I don't want to learn about. God."... No pun was intended with the "God" and Christianity. <<



eek I'm not voting for Obama. Mike Huckabee... if he got in, I would die, he is the most pompous Christian I have ever seen. He seems like one of those hard-core ones too gonk . John Edwards or Dennis Kucinich would be awesome. Hillary's healthcare plan sucks, and so does Obama's. If there's anything we need right now, it's good healthcare like the rest of the world has (if you don't know what I'm talking about, watch Sicko).
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:28 pm


I'm not even going to touch healthcare here... that's a can of worms, and not one I'm really prepared to open (yet).

Thus far, my primary choice lies between John McCain and Ron Paul. Ron Paul is really more of a libertarian, and has the potential to get America back on track with the way it was meant to be.

McCain is the only candidate I feel has the proper experience to handle the Iraq (and Iran?) situation, currently. When the s**t hits the fan and the world goes to hell (think WWIII), would you rather be lead by the pacifist or the fighter? Remember: the neutral countries always fall first. (See Belgium and World War two.)

As for the Democrats: the only person I feel would be acceptable is Obama. While others claim it, only Obama has made a reputation of actually serving his constituents. That speaks volumes to me. Also remember that the media has trouble with counting past two, so the majority of the coverage goes to Obama and Clinton.

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