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Good point.

Well, I wouldn't say that these are people with no qualms about killing children, just because the ones that think of fetuses as children really do have qualms most of the time.

They honest to goodness think of them as lumps of tissue, as blobs, as meaningless pieces of organic material. I would have no problem having something that truly were like that removed from me. If a fetus was not a human being, in my opinion, then I would certainly be pro-choice.

The thing is, it's a threat to them. There are plenty of people who will take the facts and accept them but say, "That doesn't affect my decision." I don't mind that; it wouldn't affect my decision if it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that a fetus experiences no form of pain whatsoever at any point in pregnancy, because in the end, pain or no pain, it's still killing a human being. So, the level of development doesn't come into play either; people will accept that a fetus is a human, even a human being sometimes, but it doesn't affect their decision because it doesn't change that there's still a violation of bodily domain, to those people.

People that twist facts are afraid. It's not that they're doing it to be evil; they're doing it because they're afraid that others will listen. They need to twist facts because those facts, on some level, have made them doubt their own position and they don't want that. They want it legal, they want to keep public support for legality, because it benefits them, and they're afraid of facts which they feel damage their position. There's also the people who feel that abortion is for the greater good so lying is justified if it keeps it legal. It's like when someone pro-life claims that the heartbeat starts at 5 days past conception; they're afraid. They want support, badly, because they're desperate to save lives and a little misinformation is worth it compared to the good it can do.

Not all choicers are like the militants that can be found on the internet or on television; most are in the moderate range, and don't go out of their way to dismiss facts. There are the ones who seem soulless mixed in there, but we've got some of those as well.

They not have seen an ultrasound but people should know a bit about fetal development but alot of abortions take place before it's a fetus (when it's still an embryo), so that's probably why some people think the way they do.

I think it's actually impossible to have an abortion until at least 6-8 weeks, because they can't actually find it.

Antiprogestins (this includes most, if not all, abortion-inducing herbs) induce menstruation, so it makes sense that they would be able to dislodge an implanted embryo at any time.

Disclaimer: I got a B in Physiology. gonk

Oh, and I found this interesting--on this page they have a fetal development slideshow.

And this black box warning:


You know, in order to "keep abortion safe and legal," you kind of have to make it safe first.

Oh, another thing: as you may notice if you check out the page, misoprostol is used for things other than abortion, so don't just freak out if you see someone with a prescription for it. Even if it's a guy.

I would think abortion would be safer, really, depending on when and how it's done. It's not like childbirth is all that dangerous, but abortion isn't either. Not really, if it's done properly. Course that doesn't help you if you're the one whose uterus is perforated, you almost die from having bits of baby left inside of you, you get PID, you have fertility issues, etc, etc.

It also doesn't help you if the clinic you go to isn't very good (health violations. Sucks to live in New Jersey eh?), or you decide to do an herbal abortion yourself without knowing what you're doing. It's strange that no one mentions all of the illegal abortions that are still going on today, but they're happening. Which has given me a thought, those are almost never included in abortion complication statistics. What if childbirth was done the same way, where the only recorded statistics were taken from hospitals with a certified doctor performing the procedure? Not a midwife or at-home birth where if something goes wrong, you're not right at the hospital to fix it and it's a little more dangerous. I'm pretty sure the gap between the danger level would shrink.

It can be dangerous in a different way, and that's the clinic thing I was mentioning. You can sort of protect yourself by following some simple guidelines when going to a clinic...you check and make sure they offer counseling (even if your state law does not require it), you check and make sure they don't rush you into making a decision, you look around to see if the environment is clean, you get information on how long the doctor doing the procedure has been practicing. There are more things you can do, but a lot of them are basically trying to avoid clinics that will rush you through for the sake of money because clinics that genuinely care are more likely to keep to health standards (since the welfare of their patients actually matters to them). To use an argument I hear all the time though, there are so few clinics. If the only clinic in the area is a bad one, you're faced with finding a way to get to one further away that may or may not be better, taking the risk, or not having an abortion.

Edit: Try this on for scary. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-abortion8feb08,0,35683.story?page=1 Eesh. Safe and legal.

Oh yeah, and organizations like NARAL and PP get upset when legislation tries to make it so procedures are done at hospitals or other specialized buildings.

Safe and legal. Safe and legal. Safe and legal. Are they buying it yet?