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Sumikiru

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:42 am


I was sort of a fence-sitter to begin with, leaning more towards pro-life, because omgz, how could you kill a poor innocent little baby?! Other people made it sound so barbaric, so I kind of grouped it into the "bad things" list.

Then in high school we had to write/present an essay about our stance on abortion. I figured everyone would be pro-life, so I took the pro-choice side, just to be different. I actually didn't understand much about what I researched (a woman's body is her own? Really?) and didn't present the information all that well, as a result. xd

But when I heard all the pro-life arguments, they sounded so pathetic. They didn't really have any stats to back them up. It was mostly stuff like what was said earlier:

BlueRoseTorn
"YOUR KID COULD BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT, DON'T KILL THE BABY."

Which is not much of an argument. Someone actually said "Your baby could've cured AIDS. But you killed it." It could also become a serial killer, I thought. That's when I started to see that pro-choice actually made so much more sense.

I read up a lot on pro-choice/pro-life boards, learned a lot, then found the Gaia one... which has to be the most informative thread I've seen on the subject. It rooted me even more firmly on the pro-choice side. Thanks Gaia. <3
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:02 am


I wouldn't say I was ever pro-life.

More like, it's fine if abortion is legal, but you're a terrible person for getting one.


And then as I got older, I started noticing how...wrong the pro-life argument felt. I do believe a fetus is a life, and some sadness is in my heart when I think about abortion. However, I don't feel it's right, even if you're saving a fetus, to deny someone the rights to their own body. Oh my god, that's just scary. That's the "greater good" mentality that'll run this society into the ground. It even irks me that they force us to wear seatbelts in cars, and the only reason I'm alive today is because of a seatbelt. Sure, it's saving lives, but it's also stripping freedom.

Not okay. ):


But what really solidified it, and made me want to speak out about the faults of the pro-life argument, was when I was pregnant.

Now, I considered all my options when I found out. I chose to keep the pregnancy.

But I endured more hell in doing so. There was a few times when even the doctor didn't know if I'd live. My body has been permanently affected. I have a slight limp, I'm scarred, and if I choose to have another child (which I'll likely incur the same problems, if not more), I will have to have another c-section, which highly increases my chance of uterine rupture among other fun complications.

And all I can think, when it comes right down to it, is...I did that willingly, and it was hard enough, how could forcing someone be alright? D:

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Freedom Fire

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:13 am


Pretty much, yes.

When I first learned about abortion, I was in 8th grade. I was thinking of becoming sexually active with the guy I was going out with at the time, and I was going to make him wear a condom but I knew that might not work, and I knew that if I got pregnant I would want an abortion.

I don't even think I knew what a huge issue it was at the time. Then I realized people wanted to make it illegal, and it really bothered me that people were trying to take away my rights like that.

Granted, there were times when I would start thinking maybe abortion was wrong, after hearing pro-life arguments, but they were usually lapses in judgement. I've been exposed to their emotional propaganda so many times that even though it used to temporarily effect me, it doesn't anymore.

Now I'm 100% pro-choice all the way.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:35 am


I don't know what to call myself, or how to vote in the poll. I can remember one incident when we drove past a "fetusmobile", and my mom told me not to look. I thought that these people were presenting some great and horrible truth, and that my mother was trying to hide it from me because she thought I was "too young". (I thought the same thing when my dad objected to my reading gory PETA propaganda.) I thought that those people were trying to expose the truth about this horrible crime, this tragedy, and every other adult wanted to hide it from me. I can remember those feelings very well. However, I can remember at other times, I always sided with the woman. I always cared about womens' rights, and even though I never would have admitted it before the age of about 16, I was always a feminist. So my memories conflict. I saw The Cider House Rules when it came out, and I know my sympathy was with the women then. When I read an article about forced abortion taking place under China's old-child policy, I knew it was wrong to force a woman to have one she didn't want. In any abortion debate or discussion, I always cared about the woman's rights, even before I understood bodily domain. But I also remember, very distinctly, a time when I was very young and I bought into pro-life propaganda. What did I start as? A fence-sitter? I want to say I was always pro-choice because I was in my teens, but I remember that time when I saw a giant picture labeled "ABORTION" with a picture of a fragmented stillborn, and nothing would have convinced me that abortion was anything other than how they portrayed it, or that there was anything that made it acceptable.

BlueRoseTorn
Hell, when I was in the second grade at the Catholic school I attended, all of my class had to write an essay on why abortion is oh-so-wrong, and how the "baby" would grow up to be a wonderful person if you didn't "murder" it. Pretty much ended up with thirty-five kids writing "YOUR KID COULD BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT, DON'T KILL THE BABY." Seriously. rolleyes


The bolded bit really scares me and makes me mad. They were trying to brainwash you guys! Kids that young typically don't have good reasoning skills. They're not old enough to question or think about it most of the time. Thinking skills like that don't come about until about 12 or 13, according to what I've heard.

I hate when religious groups try to teach kids things that serious and complex when they're too young to understand. They're trying to drill a simplistic, black-and-white version into your head so that you won't question it. It's disgusting that they're so afraid of being defied that they have to resort to that.

Besides, did they even teach you what it was at that age? I doubt it. They'd be in a lot of trouble if they taught you about anything else that grown up, but not as long as they're teaching you propaganda!

Suteko
So the first time I was ever talked to about abortion was in my 7th grade English class. My teacher was on a tangent and decided to tell us that "abortion is when a mommy is pregnant and they inject salt into her womb and burn the babies skin until it dies". One girl actually stood up and said it was in her body so she should have a choice in what happens. My teacher looked at her with a horrified face and just said "That's disgusting". The whole class agreed. I went home that day and cried for the "poor babies".


*laughs* I probably would have been that girl that stood up. I was like that in seventh grade. At least, I hope I would have had the courage to speak up.. And the kids would have hated me, bullied me. I would be the only one to go home crying.

PhaedraMcSpiffy


_Morgane Fay_

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:38 am


Crystal E-B
I used to be a lifer, but I was young and dumb. I'll never do it again! I swear!


Being pro-life seems to be a teenage lapse of judgment for most whee
Although some, of course, don't outgrow that phase. *Tear*

I've always taken a woman's right to her own body for granted - to the point of not even being able to imagine the opposite in practice. Made me reel to think that abortion was legalized just barely a decade before my birth.

It took a few encounters with pro-lifers and a general shift towards closed-minded christianity in our political system which I won't bore you with to make me more alert to the issue it still appears to be. And along came the abortion thread on Gaia, which really was very helpful in articulating those sentiments.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:39 am


PhaedraMcSpiffy
BlueRoseTorn
Hell, when I was in the second grade at the Catholic school I attended, all of my class had to write an essay on why abortion is oh-so-wrong, and how the "baby" would grow up to be a wonderful person if you didn't "murder" it. Pretty much ended up with thirty-five kids writing "YOUR KID COULD BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT, DON'T KILL THE BABY." Seriously. rolleyes


The bolded bit really scares me and makes me mad. They were trying to brainwash you guys! Kids that young typically don't have good reasoning skills. They're not old enough to question or think about it most of the time. Thinking skills like that don't come about until about 12 or 13, according to what I've heard.

I hate when religious groups try to teach kids things that serious and complex when they're too young to understand. They're trying to drill a simplistic, black-and-white version into your head so that you won't question it. It's disgusting that they're so afraid of being defied that they have to resort to that.

Besides, did they even teach you what it was at that age? I doubt it. They'd be in a lot of trouble if they taught you about anything else that grown up, but not as long as they're teaching you propaganda!


From what I can recall (it was quite awhile ago sweatdrop ), one of the Priests came in and told us that there was going to be a contest--whoever wrote the best essay about how terrible abortion was would have their paper read during Mass (whoop-de-doo), and given a $20 giftcard to someplace I can't remember. Almost everybody raised their hands to ask what abortion was, and he pretty much said (a paraphrase):

"Abortion is when a woman gets pregnant, but decides to murder the baby while it's still in her tummy."

So he ended up with thirty-odd kids staring up at him looking horrified, determinded to write an essay that will stop this horrible baby-killing process.

Just...yeah. The more I look back on it, the more ******** up it is.

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TheDemonNurse

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:31 pm


Me? I didn't even know such a thing as abortion even EXISTED until about seventh grade, and that's only because I got on gaia. Of all the health classes I've had during my life in school, abortion was never mentioned, we were only told that if we got pregnant it would suck because we would be lugging a baby around. Hell, they didn't even teach us about adoption, but I did fortunately know that existed.

When I first formed an opinion about abortion it was more "pro-life". I had the little exception rule that a woman can get an abortion if she was raped or it was the product of incest, but I thought it unthinkable to get one otherwise. But I was uneducated. Please forgive me!!

And then a few months later I stumbled upon the lovely thread of Talon's and my view changed. Not overnight of course, but gradually. My opinion changed even more and more with every little bit of information pumped into my eighth grade head and here I am today! Thanks for everything pro-choice guild.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:54 pm


Went to a Christian school and dragged into the pro-life side. However, I realized I was being blindsighted... never did they bring up if the guy runs off, she is raped or physically unable to carry to term... I also realized that pro-lifers shut down programs that help prevent circumstances in which abortion is needed and also shut down parenting help.

I am prochoice to protect medical rights and women's rights. Medical decisions are between the patient and the doctor (well the doctor knows but doesn't have much weight in what you say but you get what I'm saying). I don't want a day where I can't get medical treatment for another unrelated procedure because some church or group is morally opposed to it.

Streex


Freedom Fire

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:21 pm


Ugh, I can't stand it when teachers force their moral views down their students' throats.

A teacher's job is to teach, not lecture.

One of my English teachers told the whole class about partial birth abortion, and I don't even remember what she said or whether her description was accurate, but she intentionally did it to gross us all out to convince us how horrible partial birth abortion was.

She didn't even mention that the procedure was only used in extreme cases, and that ALL surgical procedures are gross, even life-saving operations.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:53 pm


Honestly sure I was raised Catholic but they never really said anything about abortion when I was little going to religion classes on Saturdays. Not that I really payed attention. So I really didn't know about it. But I wasn't pro-life. I more or less was against getting pregnant when I was little.

It wasn't until these past couple of years when I heard that the new Justices were going to try and "override" Roe vs Wade and pass along other laws trying to limit almost everything that I pretty much believe in. So I became pro-choice because I feel a women has the right to choose.

I knew about abortion when I was in high school, I don't exactly know where I learned probably with heath or maybe in science. But yeah.

-xXGodslayer_RaiXx-


Blythe the Mass Debater

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:09 pm


I was pro-life and ended up pro-choice. Oddly when I was pro-life I was very negative. I hated women that thought they could just have sex and get away with it. crying
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:24 am


when i first learned what abortion was i didn't really think it was a big deal because i knew the fetus couldn't feel pain/couldn't survuive outside the womb, etc. i'd hear tidbits about pro-life violence and i would always wonder what the big deal was. i thought along the lines of "they're adults, they should know it's not a baby yet". yeah, i was a weird kid. xD

i just figured that abortion wasn't any of my business because i was still really young. then, when i was 16 or so i discovered Gaia and the abortion thread that was going back in '04. i always knew i was pro-choice, and all the information in that thread just solidified my stance on the subject. razz

edit: holy hell, i've been on Gaia for almost 3 1/2 years! O_O;;

Peppermint Schnapps


queertastrophy

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:11 am


Peppermint Schnapps
edit: holy hell, i've been on Gaia for almost 3 1/2 years! O_O;;


It'll be four with my first account next week. eek
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:05 pm


Before I became an active Pro-Choicer, I was Pro-Choice, but I didn't know there was an alternative. I honestly didn't understand why people would be against abortion, as a woman's reproductive rights were hers, and hers alone. I thought it was common sense for people to mind their own business. Oh how wrong I was... gonk

MipsyKitten
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Anthrax in my Tampax

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:10 pm


Ever since I learned what an abortion meant and the ideas of pro-"life" and pro-choice, I've been pro-choice. I believe I was about 11 when I realized everything and what it meant. I was one of those kids whose parents didn't care if they watched R-rated movies at a young age. Back then I was a pretty aware kid (it happens when your siblings are 5,7, and 8 years older than you. You just have to grow up faster) When I learned about pro-life and pro-choice, I thought about those R-rated movies where women weren't mentally sound, their spouses were abusive, and they'd been raped. What about those women? I always thought abortion was okay for those women and their experience because those movies are fistional, but those events happen in real life too.
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