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 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:21 pm
Hylonomus A movie I'd like to point out here is The Last Samurai. I'd overlook the completly unrealistic swordplay and even the OMGZ NINJAS! attack, (because you have to admit that scene was cool) but the fact that a trained and experienced soldier in a saber stance couldn't take on some dude swinging a stick like a baseball bat is complete bull... in the real world that guy would have kicked the jap's a**, then went back to his mission and pwned the samurais like planned. Remember that any self-respecting gentleman of that day knew how to fence, and a veteran calvalryman would know how to kick a samurai's a**. Keep in mind, that during the scene where Algren was fighting with the wooden Katana, he was up against Uchio, an experienced soldier in his own right who was in perfect health. Algren was using a wooden katana, which is used with both hands normally, with only one hand, so he didn't have enough power going for him. Plus, one big thing everyone forgot, Algren was still recovering. It was no wonder he lost horribly. If Algren were in better health, he definately would've given Uchio a run for his money. And that veteran calvalryman remark...I agree if it's the normal Samurai you are talking about, you know, the type of Samurai that has never really fought in a war. But if you ask me, an experienced soldier against an experienced soldier is a tough call. Like you said, it comes down to better equipment.
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:10 am
I'm looking forward to the new Zorro movie, bullshido swordplay or not. I guess I'm too used to suspending my disbelief. DarklingGlory Kermi Hylonomus Well, a common misconception that you will often hear me preaching about is that knights were heavy, plodding tanks swinging swords that were heavy and blunt. This couldn't be farther from the truth. There was probably more drills and technique put into mastering longsword combat then Samurai's did for Katana combat. (as the katana was a backup weapon 90% of the time, but European knights commonly brought longswords and two handers to the front lines.) Longswords are alot lighter then the recreations you see at the ren fairs. That's interesting, I was always led to believe that recreations were lighter. I knew that plate-clad knights were always underrated (usually in katana vs. longsword threads where the 15 year old Tarantino fans are convinced all Samurai carried Masamune katanas that could slice European steel in half) but I put their talent down to humans generally being less pussified by technological convenienced that didn't exist two hundred years ago as we are today, along with a lifetime of training in a suit of metal that had to stay on for days/weeks at a time. Lol, is that your own word? Pussyfied? Nah, I probably jsut picked it up somewhere.
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:42 pm
Another one of my favorite medieval action movies is a culpret for faulty swordplay: The 13th Warrior. Once again they go for the "swing wildly" style when to comes to fighting... and act as if the viking swords were alot heavier then they really are. The only difference between a viking broadsword and a muslim scimitar is the wieght distribution... scimitars are more heavy in the blade, as apposed to the broadsword which is heavy in the hilt. Simply grinding it down would not change the weapon...
Either way... that movie is one of my favorites.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:08 am
Going back to The Last Samurai, the ninja would have just sent one guy to poison Katsumoto...full stop. As for the bokken scene, Algrean was as said in bad health, Ujio was an experianced swordsman and Algren would not have been used to using a bokken for anything. One thing that confused me was the scene in the forest, when Algren has a perfectly good saber and throws it away to grab a nearby gun to stab one guy with. I'm not sure if a saber vs a Yari or Naginata would be fair so perhaps it was better to throw it away? Back to the fighting with a bokken. Both cultures styles of swordplay were completly different, katanas are two handed and meant for swift killing strikes, cavalry sabers are meant to be used for slashing from horseback or slashing in general. Hence the way that Algren held his sword when Ujio hit him, he held it low and one handed. Quote: Like you said, it comes down to better equipment. I'm not so sure on that. Just because one guys got better equipment doesn't really mean that they will win in a fight. Technique as well as equipment and experiance I'd agree.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:55 am
anyone notice in enter the dragon, when bruce lee is gettin down with the nunchaku, how he holds them? now , did he reeally know how to use those prior to the movie? I've taken a few classes for that weapon and the instructor told us you have to hold them about an 1 inch to maybe 2 inches from the top (where the rope or chain connects the 2 sticks), so your wrists have more control. Bruce was holding em at the very bottom.
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:18 pm
I was told that Bruce Lee's nunchuku style is more Filipino based than Japanese based(not saying nunchuku are used in FMA, just that he used the FMA style and adapted it to nunchuku). I could be wrong, of course.
Either way, ask Thunder, haha.
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 2:55 am
The guns in Team America were TOTALLY fake.
That pissed me off, greatly.
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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 12:39 am
Not to mention the fight choreography....I mean COME ON!
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:09 pm
I mean, the sex scenes...damn they could have cut it from the film...dirty people.
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 3:06 pm
Taijutsuguy I mean, the sex scenes...damn they could have cut it from the film...dirty people. They did, its only in the DVD.
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:30 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:32 pm
Guerilla warfare beats the s**t out of technology, Vietnam proved that. So having better weapons means squat. Also in terms of war, if any body who's been in a real fight can tell you, most techniques go straight to hell, so if a warrior who just saw his friend get speared in a mass confusion of death and war, would calmly swing his sword as was trained is HIGHLY unlikely. Im sure they used some of their training, but it wouldnt look pretty I can guarentee that. Besides in war its not the individual, its the group. Spartans prove this point, they weren't great warriors by themselves but when grouped together in Phalanx, they were the best out there.
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:52 am
Saajei Guerilla warfare beats the s**t out of technology, Vietnam proved that. So having better weapons means squat. Also in terms of war, if any body who's been in a real fight can tell you, most techniques go straight to hell, so if a warrior who just saw his friend get speared in a mass confusion of death and war, would calmly swing his sword as was trained is HIGHLY unlikely. Im sure they used some of their training, but it wouldnt look pretty I can guarentee that. Besides in war its not the individual, its the group. Spartans prove this point, they weren't great warriors by themselves but when grouped together in Phalanx, they were the best out there. How does anything you just said have any relevance to the topic of this thread?
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:43 am
Saajei Guerilla warfare beats the s**t out of technology, Vietnam proved that. So having better weapons means squat. Also in terms of war, if any body who's been in a real fight can tell you, most techniques go straight to hell, so if a warrior who just saw his friend get speared in a mass confusion of death and war, would calmly swing his sword as was trained is HIGHLY unlikely. Im sure they used some of their training, but it wouldnt look pretty I can guarentee that. Besides in war its not the individual, its the group. Spartans prove this point, they weren't great warriors by themselves but when grouped together in Phalanx, they were the best out there. And what the hell do you mean they weren't great warriors by themselves? They lived, breathed, ate and shat war from pretty much birth... they were incredibly highly drilled in unit manouevers its true but thats not to say they neglected personal one on one combat. Every single male member of the population from the ages of 13 to 50 was in the army and the entire culture revolved around combat prowess. The whole idea of a "spartan" lifestyle is that they eschewed luxury in favour of personal physical excellence... Your point that the unit was more important than the individual in war is correct but that example is horrendous.. if the individuals have better arms, and better training, then so does the unit.. Comparing modern jungle warfare to medieval mass warfare is a fallacy. The closest analogue would have been Robin Hood (if he really existed) or the Saracens against the Crusaders, both of which argueably used "better" equipment for the job at hand, i.e. longbows in a forest, and lighter arms and armour in the desert. The whole idea of disipline in war was exactly the point. Highly disiplined, well trained troops did exactly as trained.. i.e. carried on the whole brace and push of the phalanx, push with shield then stab of the romans, controlled tight swings of the medieval knight/armsman to the controlled three round bursts of the modern infantry man, even when their best buddy went down next to them with a splattered head... otherwise they ended up dead.. fast. Evolution in action. Oh and it never looks pretty.. its war
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:24 am
three round bursts and aiming? What are you talking about? Everyone knows that the real way to use a gun is to fire from the hip, or with one hand if possible and always fire in fully automatic mode, to be sure to pepper your enemies with at least thirty rounds a piece. Bullets are weak, after all, you need to really pump your enemies full of lead. Oh, and you can't forget that bullets have a tendency to dissapear after touching any matierials other then flesh. Don't worry, guns are still powerful because they all contain bottomless clips... you could fire for hours on a single clip.
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