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This is horrid. Aff locks should have 0 problem beating hunters. (Considering you have decent resil and are SL/SL or UA) SL + CoW + Corr + UA if you have it, SL + CoW pet then if you're in arena run behind something and wait it out. In a barren terrain, fear if they aren't BIG AND RED. You shouldn't even need Death Coil.

Omg... Warlock complaining about mages? ROFLROFLROFL

Lolexcusemewhat?

Thats ******** insane...

I think they need to fix the priest holy tree. That s**t is ******** up.
IMO, the class wearing cloth with laughable protection should have the strongest most amzing heals in the game. Same concept with the mage- the glass cannon. Priests should be the same way, except with heals.
I mean sure, the priest is useful in some situations, but I want leet heals. Like, ******** leet. Resto shamas and holy pallies can go home and offheal IMO.

Have you seen our talent trees? D: They're horrible messes, full of garbage talents. Like half the time, you end up going with miserable ones to just get to a semi-decent one. And then there's the ones that just plain don't make any damn sense in the tree they're in.

My real beef with the class though, is that fact that we fail as hybrids, completely. I'm speaking from PvE, as I haven't PvP on my paly since like, 39. If you want to tank, you better be way deep into Prot. Then, you're going to never do any DPS & fail at even off-healing. Same thing vice-versa with the other two trees. I've played a Feral druid, which could DPS or tank, & just carried around a set of healing gear, & could easily MH in that.

I raid too, but I also PvP on the side as a druid. If Blizzard would remove cyclone druids would fall on their faces in arena. That one spell is one of the only reasons I can keep an MS warrior off of me for a few seconds. But if removing cyclone and buffing us to being less viable in 2v2 and more viable in 5v5, I wouldn't mind that spell gone.

Now mana drain, I would like to see something done to that. I'm playing 3v3 mainly on my druid and 6/12 warlocks I saw yesterday. Spent the whole arena match hitting mana drain, and they weren't even on drain teams D: I think more than half the rounds the priest on my team out did the warlock in damage.(This was in the 1700-1800 bracket) Let's nerf that so the warlocks in my battle ground might learn to hit a different button lol...

MY CLASS WEARS CLOTH SO I SHOULD HEAL BETTER THAN ANYONE AND EVERYONE SHOULD JUST BE BACKUPS.

diminishing returns anyone?

Paladin Talents suck. But then again, they were never meant to be good, but to simply specialize where your paladin will go. Healing/Tank/Solo. And they were meant to just buff the skills you are already given. Except maybe Prot, you get alot of skills there that I wouldn't find too much use.

Evidently, that's the same with pretty much any "hybrid" class. You can do everything, but not the best at it if you aren't spec for it. The problem with your argument is that Druids as a hybrid class isn't too excellent. Of course a Feral Druid can Heal with good healing set. Druids were always excellent at Healing, and are even considered to be a healing class by Blizzard's standards. Though, Blizzard's standards in classes now are just totally horrendous and atrocious. Besides, Druid healing is rather easy to do since you rely on HoTs to get the job done, so the technique is a bit easier to do.

I tell you one thing, a Resto druid cannot tank exceedingly well compared to a feral druid, even with good tank gear.

And I doubt a Prot Paladin will do horrible DPS. After all, alot of you paladin tanks seem to be competing in the fact that you do excellent DPS when your tanking, so either you guys are lying about doing great damage, or your lying about not doing enough damage as tank. Either way, I could care less. And a Paladin was NEVER meant to do the main healing, as Blizzard's original design. Paladins were just given the 'omfg I can MH so well lolz!' because TBC made it so Horde had paladins.

Anyway, paladins, originally, were never meant to main heal standardly, so don't be so surprised that you cannot do so if you aren't specced for it. Comparing a non-holy paladin healing to a non-resto druid healing is like comparing apples to oranges. However, Paladins were gifted with the ability to support heal REALLY well, so my advice is to stick with that.

The way that Healing goes nowadays in WoW is a bit more outlined than it was back then, so you are only going one direction in healing. My advice if you want to support heal with the best potential being non-holy, is to get ALOT of Mp5 and spirit, since you are trying to make up for the fact that you do not have divine illumination. Since you don't have the talents, spell +crit isn't important, so you can concentrate fully on Mp5. Then get +healing and Int secondary.

blizz are only finally giving us paladins small benefits after the ******** years of neglect, we still have been given basically ******** all.